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Note that it really depends on the type of the pancreatic cancer. While pancreatic adenocarcinomas are some of the worst cancers out there (overall 5y survival

Note that it really depends on the type of the pancreatic cancer. While pancreatic adenocarcinomas are some of the worst cancers out there (overall 5y survival of 8%), others like pancreatic neuroendocrine tumours have a fairly good prognosis. Famously, Steve Jobs sought alternative medicine solutions to the latter, which was probably misguided.

j0hnyl 3y ago
I'm not sure it's the alternative treatments that did him in... it was the AIDS that he kept a secret and was subsequently revealed by wikileaks.
- loup-vaillant 3y ago
  Do you have a credible link? The quick search I did suggests the evidence was unreliable and likely forged.
  - j0hnyl 3y ago
    I'm only aware that documents were circulating saying that, but now that I'm searching around, I think the best details are here: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_status_results,_2008 https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_... Conclusion is that the documents shouldn't be taken at face value... so maybe not? However, if he was HIV+ I can totally see why it would be covered up. I guess it's a big question mark, but it's not unbelievable.
    - asveikau 3y ago
      There are a lot of conspiracy theories about AIDS, and in the case like the death of Steve Jobs I guess this sort of rumor is bolstered by the fact that a lot of people hid their diagnosis due to stigma. Jobs was famously very focused on image. But I think most of that stigma was gone by 2010.
      - j0hnyl 3y ago
        The stigma is most definitely not gone with the exception of the gay community, and maybe younger folks. If Jobs had AIDS and hid it, it wouldn't be a shock, but I think it would be a contributing factor to disinformation as most people believe the pancreatic cancer happened on its own and was exacerbated by his alternate treatments.
        asveikau 3y ago
        Well the other thing is, if he got a positive test in 2006, he'd be on anti-retrovirals and wouldn't have died of it. He had money and access to good doctors. It's rare for someone like him to die of AIDS complications.
samstave 3y ago
I come from a long line of clinical/medical folks in my family - and me on the tech side of medicine... That said the following is me talking out my ass, but I have followed a very few number of pancreatic cases - jobs being one... and there is one anecdotal that I would hope people closer to such cases can chime into ; how much wine did these people drink (jobs was a prolific wine drinker) Im wondering if sulfates from wine are a major player. https://www.distractify.com/p/patrick-swayze-alcoholic https://www.distractify.com/p/patrick-swayze-alcoholic
- 2devnull 3y ago
  If they were a major player it wouldn’t be so subtle, it would be an industry wide problem. Alcohol causes pancreatic cancer for sure, but sulfites specifically? I’d beed a lot of evidence to believe that.
  - samstave 3y ago
    Sure, but that shouldnt preclude looking into it... As you stated "*I need a lot of evidence*" - which is exactly what I am asking for. "Moar evidance" And sulfates may not be the right metric... So if we can fully identify dietary commonalities of pancreatic cancer patients, then we can get a little farther down this path to understanding... What would be the most amazing use of "AI" would be to have a biological model of a pure human body (as far as nutrients and blah blah are concerned) - then cycle through feeding that biology various substances and seeing how it propogates through the system)
- brandon272 3y ago
  Anything that I have read about Jobs was that he rarely drank alcohol.
  - samstave 3y ago
    I withdraw my statmenet because all data conflicts and I have no idea.
- kjs3 3y ago

j0hnyl 3y ago

I'm not sure it's the alternative treatments that did him in... it was the AIDS that he kept a secret and was subsequently revealed by wikileaks.

loup-vaillant 3y ago
Do you have a credible link? The quick search I did suggests the evidence was unreliable and likely forged.
- j0hnyl 3y ago
  I'm only aware that documents were circulating saying that, but now that I'm searching around, I think the best details are here: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_status_results,_2008 https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_... Conclusion is that the documents shouldn't be taken at face value... so maybe not? However, if he was HIV+ I can totally see why it would be covered up. I guess it's a big question mark, but it's not unbelievable.
  - asveikau 3y ago
    There are a lot of conspiracy theories about AIDS, and in the case like the death of Steve Jobs I guess this sort of rumor is bolstered by the fact that a lot of people hid their diagnosis due to stigma. Jobs was famously very focused on image. But I think most of that stigma was gone by 2010.
    - j0hnyl 3y ago
      The stigma is most definitely not gone with the exception of the gay community, and maybe younger folks. If Jobs had AIDS and hid it, it wouldn't be a shock, but I think it would be a contributing factor to disinformation as most people believe the pancreatic cancer happened on its own and was exacerbated by his alternate treatments.
      - asveikau 3y ago
        Well the other thing is, if he got a positive test in 2006, he'd be on anti-retrovirals and wouldn't have died of it. He had money and access to good doctors. It's rare for someone like him to die of AIDS complications.

samstave 3y ago

I come from a long line of clinical/medical folks in my family - and me on the tech side of medicine... That said the following is me talking out my ass, but I have followed a very few number of pancreatic cases - jobs being one... and there is one anecdotal that I would hope people closer to such cases can chime into ; how much wine did these people drink (jobs was a prolific wine drinker) Im wondering if sulfates from wine are a major player. https://www.distractify.com/p/patrick-swayze-alcoholic https://www.distractify.com/p/patrick-swayze-alcoholic

2devnull 3y ago
If they were a major player it wouldn’t be so subtle, it would be an industry wide problem. Alcohol causes pancreatic cancer for sure, but sulfites specifically? I’d beed a lot of evidence to believe that.
- samstave 3y ago
  Sure, but that shouldnt preclude looking into it... As you stated "*I need a lot of evidence*" - which is exactly what I am asking for. "Moar evidance" And sulfates may not be the right metric... So if we can fully identify dietary commonalities of pancreatic cancer patients, then we can get a little farther down this path to understanding... What would be the most amazing use of "AI" would be to have a biological model of a pure human body (as far as nutrients and blah blah are concerned) - then cycle through feeding that biology various substances and seeing how it propogates through the system)
brandon272 3y ago
Anything that I have read about Jobs was that he rarely drank alcohol.
- samstave 3y ago
  I withdraw my statmenet because all data conflicts and I have no idea.
kjs3 3y ago