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Here's the thkng you are missing: Google, like Microsoft before them, pushes their own products in ways that no others are allowed to: - Microsoft pre-bundled

Here's the thkng you are missing: Google, like Microsoft before them, pushes their own products in ways that no others are allowed to: - Microsoft pre-bundled IE and Windows Media Player when no one else could bundle anything. - Google pushed ads against Firefox and for Chrome on the front page of Google search (i.e. before a search was typed) something I am not aware if anyone neither humanitarian or commercial entities with the worlds largest marketing budgets being allowed to do. For me, this example alone is enough to demonstrate behind reasonable doubt that Google, like Microsoft before them (and after them with Teams and Edge) have abused their position in one market to crush all competition in another market. Everything else like the very convenient issues showing up in Firefox on major Google properties like Search, Calendar and YouTube is just icing on the cake.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
Again, not the same. Google did not cripple their products to work only on Chrome. It did not force customers to install Chrome on their computers, nor had partnerships with OEMs to preinstall its browser. > Google pushed ads against Firefox and for Chrome on the front page of Google search I highly doubt that Google, one of Mozilla main sponsors, had ads against Firefox in their Search homepage. They do promote Chrome in Search and Gmail, but not in YouTube as far as I know. But that is beyond the point. Google uses its own real estate to promote their products, exactly like Mozilla does with Firefox and their VPN and Relay services. Mozilla also bundles Pocket within Firefox, by the way. It's not great, but I think that a company should be allowed to promote a product in their own spaces, always respecting the autonomy of the user, and without aggressively pushing it. Which is exactly why Microsoft is and should be in trouble. They not only bundled Teams in Office 365, but also defaulted to or pointed at Teams for every single operation coming from any other Office application.
- eitland 3y ago
  > Google did not cripple their products to work only on Chrome. Without defending Microsoft, they deserve a visit from relevant authorities, at least Calendar, the search results page and YouTube have had "funny" issues with other browsers and sometimes they have went away if one changed how the browser identified itself. > I highly doubt that Google, one of Mozilla main sponsors, had ads against Firefox in their Search homepage. I saw it. "Download a better browser" it said when I was already using Firefox.

manuelabeledo 3y ago

Again, not the same. Google did not cripple their products to work only on Chrome. It did not force customers to install Chrome on their computers, nor had partnerships with OEMs to preinstall its browser. > Google pushed ads against Firefox and for Chrome on the front page of Google search I highly doubt that Google, one of Mozilla main sponsors, had ads against Firefox in their Search homepage. They do promote Chrome in Search and Gmail, but not in YouTube as far as I know. But that is beyond the point. Google uses its own real estate to promote their products, exactly like Mozilla does with Firefox and their VPN and Relay services. Mozilla also bundles Pocket within Firefox, by the way. It's not great, but I think that a company should be allowed to promote a product in their own spaces, always respecting the autonomy of the user, and without aggressively pushing it. Which is exactly why Microsoft is and should be in trouble. They not only bundled Teams in Office 365, but also defaulted to or pointed at Teams for every single operation coming from any other Office application.

eitland 3y ago
> Google did not cripple their products to work only on Chrome. Without defending Microsoft, they deserve a visit from relevant authorities, at least Calendar, the search results page and YouTube have had "funny" issues with other browsers and sometimes they have went away if one changed how the browser identified itself. > I highly doubt that Google, one of Mozilla main sponsors, had ads against Firefox in their Search homepage. I saw it. "Download a better browser" it said when I was already using Firefox.