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Nintendo's been a bully for years, so their response doesn't surprise me at all. But I am disappointed in Valve and their handling of things.

pjmlp 3y ago
Despite what the FOSS crowd likes to think, Valve only cares about what brings money to their store front. Likewise SteamOS isn't some kind of freedom fight, rather not wanting to lose revenue for Microsoft.
- zamalek 3y ago
  But Valve does understand (somewhat uniquely) that doing best by the consumer tends to bring in more money - Gabe often talks about this himself. I guess this is one instance where they think more money could be had another way.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    And yet they resisted a way to refund games for like a decade until the Australian courts pointed out how illegal that was basically everywhere but the US and they finally conceded. Valve isn't "pro-consumer", but just "less anti-consumer" because it's a terribly low bar. They pull in insane money from skins and stupid skin trades on their marketplace and basically invented the gacha mechanics for Team Fortress Hats and crates, including making it free to play to bring in more people for the whales to lord over.
    - zamalek 3y ago
      > more people for the whales to lord over. With purely cosmetic skins?
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    >But Valve does understand (somewhat uniquely) that doing best by the consumer tends to bring in more money And they do a good job with their PR pretending they back that statement. They simply know to only pick fights with the little guys, in private, to keep that facade up.
WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
What do you mean? Why do you think you can't find Goldberg Steam emulator on Steam/Xbox/Playstation/Switch? (https://gitlab.com/Mr_Goldberg/goldberg_emulator https://gitlab.com/Mr_Goldberg/goldberg_emulator) Hint: it's used to play games without Steam DRM :) Do you say that Valve's been a bully for years as well for trying to block Goldberg from Steam? You would do the same if people made it easy to illegally distribute and use your products for free And Nintendo is forced to do something to protect 3rd party studios/publishers as well
VeejayRampay 3y ago
oh yeah, just enforcing their IP, real bullies there
- skotobaza 3y ago
  How is any of their IPs in jeopardy? Emulator doesn't contain any firmware code (at least not Dolphin as far as I'm aware). The encryption key is not IP and isn't copyrighted.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  They have been explicitly told by US courts like twice that they are in the wrong here and they are not in the legal right to "enforce" their "IP" here because an emulator that was produced through explicitly public knowledge, or even testing against the actual system for correctness is explicitly fair game. This was tested multiple times in the 80s and 90s, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem! was a pretty clear cut case that showed you can literally sell an emulator you have created for a profit and still be in the clear. Nintendo's "all emulation is illegal" stance is straight up wrong, they know it's wrong, and they should not be allowed to say such a falsehood in an attempt to exert control over something they legally do not have control of. At this point they should be labeled a vexatious litigant and should not be allowed to even file these kind of cases without express approval from a judge.

pjmlp 3y ago

Despite what the FOSS crowd likes to think, Valve only cares about what brings money to their store front. Likewise SteamOS isn't some kind of freedom fight, rather not wanting to lose revenue for Microsoft.

zamalek 3y ago
But Valve does understand (somewhat uniquely) that doing best by the consumer tends to bring in more money - Gabe often talks about this himself. I guess this is one instance where they think more money could be had another way.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  And yet they resisted a way to refund games for like a decade until the Australian courts pointed out how illegal that was basically everywhere but the US and they finally conceded. Valve isn't "pro-consumer", but just "less anti-consumer" because it's a terribly low bar. They pull in insane money from skins and stupid skin trades on their marketplace and basically invented the gacha mechanics for Team Fortress Hats and crates, including making it free to play to bring in more people for the whales to lord over.
  - zamalek 3y ago
    > more people for the whales to lord over. With purely cosmetic skins?
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >But Valve does understand (somewhat uniquely) that doing best by the consumer tends to bring in more money And they do a good job with their PR pretending they back that statement. They simply know to only pick fights with the little guys, in private, to keep that facade up.

WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago

What do you mean? Why do you think you can't find Goldberg Steam emulator on Steam/Xbox/Playstation/Switch? (https://gitlab.com/Mr_Goldberg/goldberg_emulator https://gitlab.com/Mr_Goldberg/goldberg_emulator) Hint: it's used to play games without Steam DRM :) Do you say that Valve's been a bully for years as well for trying to block Goldberg from Steam? You would do the same if people made it easy to illegally distribute and use your products for free And Nintendo is forced to do something to protect 3rd party studios/publishers as well

VeejayRampay 3y ago

oh yeah, just enforcing their IP, real bullies there

skotobaza 3y ago
How is any of their IPs in jeopardy? Emulator doesn't contain any firmware code (at least not Dolphin as far as I'm aware). The encryption key is not IP and isn't copyrighted.
mrguyorama 3y ago
They have been explicitly told by US courts like twice that they are in the wrong here and they are not in the legal right to "enforce" their "IP" here because an emulator that was produced through explicitly public knowledge, or even testing against the actual system for correctness is explicitly fair game. This was tested multiple times in the 80s and 90s, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem! was a pretty clear cut case that showed you can literally sell an emulator you have created for a profit and still be in the clear. Nintendo's "all emulation is illegal" stance is straight up wrong, they know it's wrong, and they should not be allowed to say such a falsehood in an attempt to exert control over something they legally do not have control of. At this point they should be labeled a vexatious litigant and should not be allowed to even file these kind of cases without express approval from a judge.