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This is a dangerous path to follow. Who gets to be the arbiter of truth? There are many things that were labeled as lies and misinformation that later turned

This is a dangerous path to follow. Who gets to be the arbiter of truth? There are many things that were labeled as lies and misinformation that later turned out to be true, or at least having no proof of being false.

stormfather 3y ago
I'm amazed and disappointed you're being downvoted for that. Partisan politics really is the death of the brain.
fennecfoxy 3y ago
Classic quis custodiet ipsos custodes problem, I suppose. I mean, Twitter manages to (not much as of recently though) provide additional information with some Tweets, I imagine a similar system would help. As I already said, I didn't mean for opinions. But if someone makes a TikTok that says "I don't like gay people", then fine whatever. I'll feel sad about the state of the world, but it's not claiming anything false. If, however, someone made a video that says "I don't like gay people because they're spreading HIV on purpose" then that is blatantly and provably false and should be removed. For example I saw this one recently: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cgTFj9V2Jvg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cgTFj9V2Jvg "amid riots, protestors let zoo animals out and now they're freely roaming Paris" with a disturbing backing track and an amalgamation of footage from various sources. It's provably false and in fact a small number of people have commented like "... if you try and find any kind of official source for this you'll see that this is completely fake! ..." But then there are plenty of comments from the apathetic dopamine addicted masses who swipe, absorb, swipe, absorb without ever looking into it: "Those poor animals. People don’t understand the dangers these animals now represent to the public and how it also endangers the animals safety from poachers or cruel individuals." I'd say about 99% of the comments aren't pointing out it's fake. I guess it's the issue of saving people from themselves. Who will watch the watchers indeed, but we certainly have electrical standards, we have automotive standards, building standards, etc. Why do we not have information safety standards??? By your argument of "who gets to be the arbiter of truth", doesn't that also apply to electrical safety standards (as an example), who tf are they to tell me that my house needs an RCD? What business do they have fusing everything, earth pins and all?
jtode 3y ago
The sort of propaganda circling on these platforms is sophisticated in its misuse of facts. One could, for instance, speak completely factually about Canada's history of colonization and genocide - TikTok, interestingly, does - but if one is doing so as a representative of a government whose current policies are genocidal (ref. "Uyghur"), is that a representation of what you think of as truth telling? I am endlessly amused by myself these days, because I was literally raised as a Marxist, with literally Karl Marx on the bookshelf and Reagan was a satan to me as a kid, but wouldn't know you know it, when I talk about Communists these, dirty fucking communist rats who cannot make their own society worth living in and therefore need to tear down the good ones, boy do I sound like Joe fucking McCarthy.
- jtode 3y ago
  It's ratfucking, is what it is, and Nixon must have taught it to them when he went over there.

stormfather 3y ago

I'm amazed and disappointed you're being downvoted for that. Partisan politics really is the death of the brain.

fennecfoxy 3y ago

Classic quis custodiet ipsos custodes problem, I suppose. I mean, Twitter manages to (not much as of recently though) provide additional information with some Tweets, I imagine a similar system would help. As I already said, I didn't mean for opinions. But if someone makes a TikTok that says "I don't like gay people", then fine whatever. I'll feel sad about the state of the world, but it's not claiming anything false. If, however, someone made a video that says "I don't like gay people because they're spreading HIV on purpose" then that is blatantly and provably false and should be removed. For example I saw this one recently: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cgTFj9V2Jvg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cgTFj9V2Jvg "amid riots, protestors let zoo animals out and now they're freely roaming Paris" with a disturbing backing track and an amalgamation of footage from various sources. It's provably false and in fact a small number of people have commented like "... if you try and find any kind of official source for this you'll see that this is completely fake! ..." But then there are plenty of comments from the apathetic dopamine addicted masses who swipe, absorb, swipe, absorb without ever looking into it: "Those poor animals. People don’t understand the dangers these animals now represent to the public and how it also endangers the animals safety from poachers or cruel individuals." I'd say about 99% of the comments aren't pointing out it's fake. I guess it's the issue of saving people from themselves. Who will watch the watchers indeed, but we certainly have electrical standards, we have automotive standards, building standards, etc. Why do we not have information safety standards??? By your argument of "who gets to be the arbiter of truth", doesn't that also apply to electrical safety standards (as an example), who tf are they to tell me that my house needs an RCD? What business do they have fusing everything, earth pins and all?

jtode 3y ago

The sort of propaganda circling on these platforms is sophisticated in its misuse of facts. One could, for instance, speak completely factually about Canada's history of colonization and genocide - TikTok, interestingly, does - but if one is doing so as a representative of a government whose current policies are genocidal (ref. "Uyghur"), is that a representation of what you think of as truth telling? I am endlessly amused by myself these days, because I was literally raised as a Marxist, with literally Karl Marx on the bookshelf and Reagan was a satan to me as a kid, but wouldn't know you know it, when I talk about Communists these, dirty fucking communist rats who cannot make their own society worth living in and therefore need to tear down the good ones, boy do I sound like Joe fucking McCarthy.

jtode 3y ago
It's ratfucking, is what it is, and Nixon must have taught it to them when he went over there.