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There is a very long list if you search linked in. Personally, would you: * move to Pheonix * do shift work * complete a special local college course at you

There is a very long list if you search linked in. Personally, would you: * move to Pheonix * do shift work * complete a special local college course at your own expense * to work for a company with notoriously demanding standards for staff and there are no salaries listed as far as I see...

sschueller 3y ago
What kind of garbage output can we expect from such labor abuse? Even with testing and all those processes this has to increase costs? Looking forward to my nvidea GPU failing a week into use...
- itake 3y ago
  That’s what they currently do in their Tainan, Taiwan factory. I thought they were known for good quality chips?
  - m00x 3y ago
    Yes, it's not an issue with the management style, but the high expectation of working conditions of the American worker. While the whole world is busting their ass, they're hooked on 9-5s. Tesla is a great example of a manufacturer that pays top dollar and gets back top-quality work.
    - mcpeepants 3y ago
      > top-quality work Why are they rated so poorly for initial quality?
      - m00x 3y ago
        They started a car company from scratch, it's not an easy feat. The build quality isn't at par with the rest of the manufacturers, but the drivetrain and batteries are by far the best. (disclaimer: I own a Ford Mach-e and tried all the Teslas)
        red-iron-pine 3y ago
        So they're a battery company that makes average cars
    - sschueller 3y ago
      "high expectation of working conditions" Working conditions in the Unites States are quite bad compared to some other places in the world. "At will" employment, wages so low that tips are required to offset them etc. I can go on and on. Just take a read in /r/antiwork/ at reddit. A lot of those things are even illegal but people don't even bother anymore to report them. We are at a point in time where we have the luxury to improve working conditions and not go back to basically slavery. The issue is we are enriching the rich instead of those that are doing the hard labor. We have the whole thing backwards, actual labor should be rewarded the most as it takes that one thing away from us that we have a limit resource of which is time. If we don't strive to improve our lives then what is the point? Work and die to make the life for a few excessively luxurious?
m00x 3y ago
Yes, and we should encourage people to go in this direction instead of becoming influencers, Youtubers, and models. The West needs to start building again or it will become an extinct empire.

sschueller 3y ago

What kind of garbage output can we expect from such labor abuse? Even with testing and all those processes this has to increase costs? Looking forward to my nvidea GPU failing a week into use...

itake 3y ago
That’s what they currently do in their Tainan, Taiwan factory. I thought they were known for good quality chips?
- m00x 3y ago
  Yes, it's not an issue with the management style, but the high expectation of working conditions of the American worker. While the whole world is busting their ass, they're hooked on 9-5s. Tesla is a great example of a manufacturer that pays top dollar and gets back top-quality work.
  - mcpeepants 3y ago
    > top-quality work Why are they rated so poorly for initial quality?
    - m00x 3y ago
      They started a car company from scratch, it's not an easy feat. The build quality isn't at par with the rest of the manufacturers, but the drivetrain and batteries are by far the best. (disclaimer: I own a Ford Mach-e and tried all the Teslas)
      - red-iron-pine 3y ago
        So they're a battery company that makes average cars
  - sschueller 3y ago
    "high expectation of working conditions" Working conditions in the Unites States are quite bad compared to some other places in the world. "At will" employment, wages so low that tips are required to offset them etc. I can go on and on. Just take a read in /r/antiwork/ at reddit. A lot of those things are even illegal but people don't even bother anymore to report them. We are at a point in time where we have the luxury to improve working conditions and not go back to basically slavery. The issue is we are enriching the rich instead of those that are doing the hard labor. We have the whole thing backwards, actual labor should be rewarded the most as it takes that one thing away from us that we have a limit resource of which is time. If we don't strive to improve our lives then what is the point? Work and die to make the life for a few excessively luxurious?

m00x 3y ago

Yes, and we should encourage people to go in this direction instead of becoming influencers, Youtubers, and models. The West needs to start building again or it will become an extinct empire.