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More and more browsers have sidebar (vertical) tabs natively these days: * Orion (mac only) - https://browser.kagi.com/ https://browser.kagi.com/ * Brave (mac

More and more browsers have sidebar (vertical) tabs natively these days: * Orion (mac only) - https://browser.kagi.com/ https://browser.kagi.com/ * Brave (mac, windows, linux) - https://brave.com/download/ https://brave.com/download/ (right click any tab and then Use vertical tabs) * Arc (ugh) - https://arc.net https://arc.net

curiousigor 3y ago
What's wrong with Arc in your opinion?
- hju22_-3 3y ago
  I haven't used it, but taking a look at the website kind of makes my eyes bleed. There's a lot of clicking involved to see actual screenshots of that thing.
  - sinfulprogeny 3y ago
    Agreed. The browser itself is amazing though.
  - thrawaway3292 3y ago
    That's a legacy of their pre-release marketing where they were trying to be all secretive and stuff.
- Y-bar 3y ago
  Apparently it only runs on ugh and not mac, windows, or linux like the other browsers.
- pantulis 3y ago
  My issue with Arc is the non-macness of the UI. I find it a great design exercise but is not exactly what I expect from a Mac app. Orion is much more interesting in terms of UI and also in performance, but I have to say that tab management on Arc is superior, as it has the concept of "folders", not only nested tabs. Orion has something like this planned, but there's no clear date.
- vladstudio 3y ago
  if you don't ming me linking, I wrote a post about it on Orion feedback site: https://orionfeedback.org/d/2783-random-thoughts-on-arc-orion-and-stuff https://orionfeedback.org/d/2783-random-thoughts-on-arc-orio...
  - curiousigor 3y ago
    Thanks for that. I share your thoughts on the content density in Arc vs Orion. The solution you're proposing (kanban style) is intriguing and something I would find pretty useful. Might even make me switch to Orion back. I switched from Orion mainly because Spaces don't share cookies and sessions with each other, meaning that I can have [Private][Work - General][Work - Client] and use for example Gmail in each of those with different accounts, without fear of switching to a personal/work one. I also lost tabs in Orion when syncing multiple devices, which Arc has handled flawlessly. It's interesting, because they both use iCloud.
- jwells89 3y ago
  Arc is nice to use but I feel bad using it because it’s Chromium-based, which furthers the growing Chromium monopoly. It bugged me enough that I switched back to Safari and Firefox as my main browser (depending on platform), keeping Arc around only for situations where a Chromelike is required.
dawnofdusk 3y ago
Missing Vivaldi. Native vertical tabs is why I switched from Firefox to Vivaldi.
- jskherman 3y ago
  Can Vivaldi collapse/minimize the vertical tabs like in Edge? I tried the setting but I had to drag the sidebar to minimize. It was inconvenient so I came back to Edge.
- lproven 3y ago
  I find Vivaldi's implementation very clunky. It has a vertical panel there as well, and they do not play nicely together: they happen to be in the same place but they do not cooperate or interoperate at all. As an example: in the email client, the folders appear in the side panel, which is conceptually "above" (to the left of) the tabs. (I use English, and in English we read left-to-right, then top-to bottom.) The problem is that in fact, the folders are logically inside the mail tab: they only pertain to the content of a single tab, but they are shown for all tabs. It is, IMHO, a design mess, and I have tried to convey this to the company, but it seems uninterested. A second example of neglect of this L-to-R, top-to-bottom rule is GNOME. In GNOME 3 and above, action buttons in dialog boxes appear in the CSD bar at the top... but I have not yet read the contents of the dialog box, so I do not yet know whether I want that action or not. Logically, the buttons should be at the bottom, and grouped together, and this applies equally to R-to-L scripts (such as Hebrew and Arabic) or to writing systems that are conventionally and classically top-to-bottom _then_ side-to-side, such as Chinese and Japanese.
Sujeto 3y ago
That Orion website has 0 javascript files. That's a good sign.
beAbU 3y ago
MS Edge

curiousigor 3y ago

What's wrong with Arc in your opinion?

hju22_-3 3y ago
I haven't used it, but taking a look at the website kind of makes my eyes bleed. There's a lot of clicking involved to see actual screenshots of that thing.
- sinfulprogeny 3y ago
  Agreed. The browser itself is amazing though.
- thrawaway3292 3y ago
  That's a legacy of their pre-release marketing where they were trying to be all secretive and stuff.
Y-bar 3y ago
Apparently it only runs on ugh and not mac, windows, or linux like the other browsers.
pantulis 3y ago
My issue with Arc is the non-macness of the UI. I find it a great design exercise but is not exactly what I expect from a Mac app. Orion is much more interesting in terms of UI and also in performance, but I have to say that tab management on Arc is superior, as it has the concept of "folders", not only nested tabs. Orion has something like this planned, but there's no clear date.
vladstudio 3y ago
if you don't ming me linking, I wrote a post about it on Orion feedback site: https://orionfeedback.org/d/2783-random-thoughts-on-arc-orion-and-stuff https://orionfeedback.org/d/2783-random-thoughts-on-arc-orio...
- curiousigor 3y ago
  Thanks for that. I share your thoughts on the content density in Arc vs Orion. The solution you're proposing (kanban style) is intriguing and something I would find pretty useful. Might even make me switch to Orion back. I switched from Orion mainly because Spaces don't share cookies and sessions with each other, meaning that I can have [Private][Work - General][Work - Client] and use for example Gmail in each of those with different accounts, without fear of switching to a personal/work one. I also lost tabs in Orion when syncing multiple devices, which Arc has handled flawlessly. It's interesting, because they both use iCloud.
jwells89 3y ago
Arc is nice to use but I feel bad using it because it’s Chromium-based, which furthers the growing Chromium monopoly. It bugged me enough that I switched back to Safari and Firefox as my main browser (depending on platform), keeping Arc around only for situations where a Chromelike is required.

dawnofdusk 3y ago

Missing Vivaldi. Native vertical tabs is why I switched from Firefox to Vivaldi.

jskherman 3y ago
Can Vivaldi collapse/minimize the vertical tabs like in Edge? I tried the setting but I had to drag the sidebar to minimize. It was inconvenient so I came back to Edge.
lproven 3y ago
I find Vivaldi's implementation very clunky. It has a vertical panel there as well, and they do not play nicely together: they happen to be in the same place but they do not cooperate or interoperate at all. As an example: in the email client, the folders appear in the side panel, which is conceptually "above" (to the left of) the tabs. (I use English, and in English we read left-to-right, then top-to bottom.) The problem is that in fact, the folders are logically inside the mail tab: they only pertain to the content of a single tab, but they are shown for all tabs. It is, IMHO, a design mess, and I have tried to convey this to the company, but it seems uninterested. A second example of neglect of this L-to-R, top-to-bottom rule is GNOME. In GNOME 3 and above, action buttons in dialog boxes appear in the CSD bar at the top... but I have not yet read the contents of the dialog box, so I do not yet know whether I want that action or not. Logically, the buttons should be at the bottom, and grouped together, and this applies equally to R-to-L scripts (such as Hebrew and Arabic) or to writing systems that are conventionally and classically top-to-bottom _then_ side-to-side, such as Chinese and Japanese.

Sujeto 3y ago

That Orion website has 0 javascript files. That's a good sign.

beAbU 3y ago

MS Edge