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I think the Wiktionary explanation is pretty detailed about the formation of arigatou: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%81%82%E3%82%8A%E3%81%8C%E3%81%A8%E3%81

by vore 3y ago

I think the Wiktionary explanation is pretty detailed about the formation of arigatou: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%81%82%E3%82%8A%E3%81%8C%E3%81%A8%E3%81%86#Japanese https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%81%82%E3%82%8A%E3%81%8C%E... Given the inflection exists for other words, e.g. o-medetaku -> omedetou and o-hayaku -> ohayou, I'm pretty sure it's derived entirely from Japanese grammar. Modern Japanese -i adjectives formerly ended in -ki for the attributive form. This medial /k/ dropped out during the Muromachi period, both for the attributive form (-ki becoming -i) and for the adverbial form (-ku becoming -u). However, the adverbial form reverted back to -ku thereafter for most words, with the -u ending persisting in certain everyday set expressions, such as arigatō, おはよう (ohayō), or おめでとう (omedetō), and in hyper-formal speech.[4]

jansan 3y ago
Also, no evidence of aigratou being used in the -u from before the Portuguese arrived. It may be true that the similarity is purely a coincidence, but the evidence is very weak, and maybe without Portuguese influence ariɡatau would be used only in some fringe cases.
- Tor3 3y ago
  https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=52018 https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=52018 - it was used more than a century before the Portuguese arrived.
- vore 3y ago
  Frankly, I don't think you understand Japanese morphology at all and are blowing a whole load of hot air. The inflection of arigatashi -> arigatou is quite straightforward and any adjective in Japanese can undergo the same inflection: - arigatashi -> arigatai: modernization - arigatai -> arigataku: adverbalization - arigataku -> arigatau -> arigatou: u-onbin It would perhaps also help your case if you didn't misspell "arigatou" twice in your post, either.

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I think the Wiktionary explanation is pretty detailed about the formation of arigatou: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%81%82%E3%82%8A%E3%81%8C%E3%81%A8%E3%81

by vore 3y ago

jansan 3y ago
Also, no evidence of aigratou being used in the -u from before the Portuguese arrived. It may be true that the similarity is purely a coincidence, but the evidence is very weak, and maybe without Portuguese influence ariɡatau would be used only in some fringe cases.
- Tor3 3y ago
  https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=52018 https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=52018 - it was used more than a century before the Portuguese arrived.
- vore 3y ago
  Frankly, I don't think you understand Japanese morphology at all and are blowing a whole load of hot air. The inflection of arigatashi -> arigatou is quite straightforward and any adjective in Japanese can undergo the same inflection: - arigatashi -> arigatai: modernization - arigatai -> arigataku: adverbalization - arigataku -> arigatau -> arigatou: u-onbin It would perhaps also help your case if you didn't misspell "arigatou" twice in your post, either.