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There's something just morally wrong about wanting to exist in an endgame society that decides its best to give zero credit to creators of ideas. I refuse that

by gmd63 3y ago

There's something just morally wrong about wanting to exist in an endgame society that decides its best to give zero credit to creators of ideas. I refuse that and actually would go to war over it. Because without that, you just reward war-like tactics in business, thievery, deception, etc, until nobody wants to create ideas anymore, and thinkers are selected out of the gene pool until we're a hive of drones sucking the toes of our queen bee influencers.

goodpoint 3y ago
> morally wrong about wanting to exist in an endgame society that decides its best to give zero credit to creators of ideas Where can I see the names of the people who designed my phone? Is it printed on the box? Or those who wrote a service I use like GitHub? Inventors have been dispossessed of their authorship for the last hundred years. > thinkers are selected out of the gene pool Right now having contributed to openbsd makes a guy the sexiest dude in every party, right?
- gmd63 3y ago
  OpenBSD is exactly my point. It's deeply knowledgeable people giving their hard work away for free. There is nothing sexy about that. Honorable, idealistic, yeah. I deeply value the people that work on OpenBSD. I wish they had fewer struggles in life. They should start by valuing their time and effort more, like lawyers, who charge 10s of thousands of dollars to read PDFs.
pravus 3y ago
> There's something just morally wrong about wanting to exist in an endgame society that decides its best to give zero credit to creators of ideas. > I refuse that and actually would go to war over it. It is absolutely morally debased and corrupt to advocate violence to resolve intellectual pursuits. I want to exist in a society that shares ideas since they are not scarce and we can argue over the actually scarce things we care about.
- gmd63 3y ago
  It's morally debased and corrupt to treat deep thinkers like plants that can be harvested, their entire lives and experiences consumed to enjoy the fruits of their intellectual labor. It's just personal preference, like all politics. We create the world we want to live in. Yes, I once idealized your society, but after years in the corporate world I learned there will always be plenty of snakes out there. I'd prefer not structuring society in a way that rewards them even more.

by gmd63 3y ago

goodpoint 3y ago

> morally wrong about wanting to exist in an endgame society that decides its best to give zero credit to creators of ideas Where can I see the names of the people who designed my phone? Is it printed on the box? Or those who wrote a service I use like GitHub? Inventors have been dispossessed of their authorship for the last hundred years. > thinkers are selected out of the gene pool Right now having contributed to openbsd makes a guy the sexiest dude in every party, right?

gmd63 3y ago
OpenBSD is exactly my point. It's deeply knowledgeable people giving their hard work away for free. There is nothing sexy about that. Honorable, idealistic, yeah. I deeply value the people that work on OpenBSD. I wish they had fewer struggles in life. They should start by valuing their time and effort more, like lawyers, who charge 10s of thousands of dollars to read PDFs.

pravus 3y ago

> There's something just morally wrong about wanting to exist in an endgame society that decides its best to give zero credit to creators of ideas. > I refuse that and actually would go to war over it. It is absolutely morally debased and corrupt to advocate violence to resolve intellectual pursuits. I want to exist in a society that shares ideas since they are not scarce and we can argue over the actually scarce things we care about.

gmd63 3y ago
It's morally debased and corrupt to treat deep thinkers like plants that can be harvested, their entire lives and experiences consumed to enjoy the fruits of their intellectual labor. It's just personal preference, like all politics. We create the world we want to live in. Yes, I once idealized your society, but after years in the corporate world I learned there will always be plenty of snakes out there. I'd prefer not structuring society in a way that rewards them even more.