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There are a few things happening here. There is a distinct american culture established by european americans which has then transformed over time and adopted b
by _8j50 3y ago
There are a few things happening here. There is a distinct american culture established by european americans which has then transformed over time and adopted by everyone else. And there are also regional cultures in america.
My sticking point which I am sure is unpopular (but I hope if you disagree, you will engage in discourse with me) is that America is not an "international" country, sort of like the UN but a country. America is a country that welcomes immigrants from any country but was largely made up of european migrants and africans from the slave trade until about 50yrs ago. this does not mean every culture can coexist, if you think so then you are supporting ethnic segregation plain and simple. Immigrants must work to abandon their culture, except as a historical artifact for them and their descendants.
See, the thing is when I say culture here, I don't know if we're talking about the same thing? Is it food? Then keep it , so long as every american can participate in it. Is it social manners? The abandon it because that precludes and conflicts with existing social manners. If your culture precludes other americans from participating or comingling with you then you are causing a division and segregation. Go to any major US city, there are large parts of it cordoned off to people of specific ethnicities. Even at jobs, people get them by networking so you have companies where realistic opportunities depend on ethnicity.
Schools, neighborhoods, work places, places of entertainment,restaurants.etc... should not belong to people of specific ethnicities for participation. i would want to go to any public place or business and feel welcome regardless of my ethnicity in my own country!
Look, people are herd animals. The segregation I speak of is a direct reflection of divisive tribalism. And don't get me wrong, this very much applies to rural white americans as well. You should be free to have a local culture, even invent one! You should not be free to bind your culture to a race, ethnicity or national origin/heritage.
America is a country of immigrants... who are coming together to build and sustain one country, a union of many states, not a mere association of racially dividied tribes.
It's not that I have a problem with any specific culture, it's that I don't see how I can call people my fellow citizens when they live segregated away from me, wanting little to do with me and refusing to learn my culture and ways.
I think having people migrate from all over the world is an extremely valuable asset and I would love to learn from people who are immigrating, comingle with them and interchange ideas and know that when I say "my country" or "my people" I am including them and they are including me and that we are not living in bubbles, isolated and divided because we refuse to let go of the past, traditions from countries we or our ancestors left behind, or because we look different or live in differnt parts of the country.
Withou assimilation, there is only division. A house divided cannot stand.
And assimilation here does not mean assimilating to a european or english culture racists mean when they say assimilate but rather a culture that is purely american -- one that evolved out of 200+ years of immigrants blending.
If you really disagree, then pretend the american economy collapsed and people cann't make ends meet and remember what happened to Yugoslavia (and their culture is so similar!) and many other countries that couldn't unite their people.
- voakbasda 3y agoAssimilation in the extreme that you suggest seems little different than cultural genocide. Forcing people to give up beliefs that conflict with the society in which they live is not an acceptable solution. America will fall because of this kind of absurdly binary viewpoint. You can take my conflicting culture when you pry it from my cold dead hands. I would rather suffer anarchy or death than meekly accept the totalitarianism of homogeneity. I don’t see how I can call people my fellow citizens when they want me to abandon my principles and beliefs in order to adopt a different set of values that they happen to value more than mine.
- Pet_Ant 3y agoIt’s not forcing, it’s a choice that moving implies. I have felt that a country is like a religion and moving is converting. You wouldn’t expect your parishioners to meet you halfway. A country shouldn’t just be a zipcode you happen to. I grew up as part or diaspora and still know people who have refused to mingle with the host country and just keep to out ghetto, or as we call “the colony”
- _8j50 3y agoWell see, you misinterpret what I said. Your beliefs are fine, that is not culture. Your practice of tradition exclusive to a pre-existing group based on ethno-national affiliation is my problem as well as your rejection of existing inclusive cultures in the country you moved to. Now, if you disagree with that, why did you migrate? A country isn't just land. You migrated into a culture and people and their ways.
- ummonk 3y ago"Go to any major US city, there are large parts of it cordoned off to people of specific ethnicities" - this seems like a you problem. In my experience, people in ethnic enclaves tend to be very to people of other ethnicities.
- _8j50 3y agoNo, this is a perspectice problem. No in my experience. There is no hostility but you are not welcome either aside from a passerby spending money. It could even be a safety issue in some places (not usually).