The problem was they spend 10 year going on Java crazy but didn't actually develop many good products that made them money. At a time when IBM and others were a

The problem was they spend 10 year going on Java crazy but didn't actually develop many good products that made them money. At a time when IBM and others were actually making money from Java. I think Self could be made into that, it just a challenge of API and how its integrated. And at the end of the day you want to have a full featured language fully integrated anyway, as JS basically became overtime.