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the reason you are so confused is because your assumption that china just popped into existence fully-formed in 1945 or whatever, is totally and utterly wrong a

the reason you are so confused is because your assumption that china just popped into existence fully-formed in 1945 or whatever, is totally and utterly wrong and ignores literally hundreds if not thousands of years of relevant history. literally everyone has tried to take over china (modern translation: "access their markets"), from the mongols to the british to the japanese. i bet even the romans had some half-assed plan they were working on.

cracrecry 3y ago
>literally everyone has tried to take over china (modern translation: "access their markets"), from the mongols to the british to the japanese. i bet even the romans had some half-assed plan they were working on. China was an Empire because they tried(and succeeded) taking over neighbours by force, including Mongols and Japanese. To portray Chinese like saints or victims is not knowing about the thousands of years you talk about.
- cyberax 3y ago
  > China was an Empire because they tried(and succeeded) taking over neighbours by force, including Mongols and Japanese. Uhm... You clearly have no idea about China. First, it was _itself_ conquered by Mongols ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_China ). Who were then simply assimilated. Second, China has never conquered Japan. Overall, China has been remarkably non-aggressive.
  - disintegore 3y ago
    Probably the least belligerent superpower in history, internally and externally. They're no saints. Anybody can see that. But by my estimation 90% of the discourse around China in the west is just pure consent manufacturing.
- inconceivable 3y ago
  lmao china took over japan OKAY BUDDY. you are literally just making shit up. you're going to upset both the china ccp tankies and the japanophile weebs at the same time. truly a remarkable feat. something i didn't think was possible.

cracrecry 3y ago

>literally everyone has tried to take over china (modern translation: "access their markets"), from the mongols to the british to the japanese. i bet even the romans had some half-assed plan they were working on. China was an Empire because they tried(and succeeded) taking over neighbours by force, including Mongols and Japanese. To portray Chinese like saints or victims is not knowing about the thousands of years you talk about.

cyberax 3y ago
> China was an Empire because they tried(and succeeded) taking over neighbours by force, including Mongols and Japanese. Uhm... You clearly have no idea about China. First, it was _itself_ conquered by Mongols ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_China ). Who were then simply assimilated. Second, China has never conquered Japan. Overall, China has been remarkably non-aggressive.
- disintegore 3y ago
  Probably the least belligerent superpower in history, internally and externally. They're no saints. Anybody can see that. But by my estimation 90% of the discourse around China in the west is just pure consent manufacturing.
inconceivable 3y ago
lmao china took over japan OKAY BUDDY. you are literally just making shit up. you're going to upset both the china ccp tankies and the japanophile weebs at the same time. truly a remarkable feat. something i didn't think was possible.