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TLDR is PRC has enough state capacity to produce and harness enough scientific talent to compete with global English in science, but likely not to replace it.
by dirtyid 3y ago
TLDR is PRC has enough state capacity to produce and harness enough scientific talent to compete with global English in science, but likely not to replace it.
PRC academic system that heavily focuses on science is spitting out educated classes that can in aggregate rival the size (and increasingly quality) of the English tertiary network. The current STEM production rate is ~5M or OECD combined. People mocked at PRC academic paper mills a few years ago, but now PRC talent is topping science and innovation indexes (controlled for quality), that's the natural outcome of exploiting talent at PRC scale. Project trend to 2050 (past 26 years of new births already locked in) and PRC can feasibly hammer out 100M+ talent in just STEM, and most importantly, increasingly be able to retain talent without the best being brain drained. Effect going forward is that PRC is going to snowball the generation of high impact scientific research and it will increasingly be written in mandarin - PRC removed mandatory English education. PRC scientific base will likely be large enough to rival English RoW, the dynamic will be more the PRC science sphere will be less inclined to integrate with the Anglo sphere. Especially if translation tech improves. IMO the mandarin science ecosystem will be fine competing if not leading in her own bubble. If anything, the PRC might prefer the gatekeeping science behind language as a competitive advantage. Global science will splinter and mandarin science will be it's own pole.
Shortcoming of India elite demographic dividend argument is, western academic institutes have limited capacity to absorb Indian talent, who let’s be frank, is replacing current cohort or PRC talent due to geopolitics which will make Indian brain drain problem worse and PRC talent retention better. English proficiency among brain drained elites will make spinning up indigenous Indian S&T at scale difficult, which India herself has a poor track record of exploiting. That can change with time obviously, but IMO there's something systemic happening with Indian diaspora doing well abroad for much longer than PRC diaspora but not meaningfully converting that into success for their birth country. Without India actually raising the ceiling for western academic ecosystem, you're looking at anglo and mandarin ecosystems competing closely. Unless anglos massively boost skill immigration, but that's politically difficult and the opposite is just as likely.
- bagacrap 3y agoThanks for the detailed response. I don't buy that all science coming from 1/6th of the world (by population) will somehow surpass all the science coming from the other 5/6ths. The only way for Mandarin to rival English would be convincing non Chinese to use Mandarin. But I am glad to hear that China plans to begin developing its own science and tech.
- dirtyid 3y agoIMO the proper way to frame comparison is science from 1/6 of the globe (mandarin) vs science from 1/5 of globe (english). The entire narrative US/west can draw from the globe greatly overstates how many eligible English speaking candidates are actually available for western bloc to draw from. It’s not the entire pie, but 1/5 of the pie, while some share of that pie are also PRC nationals. Per the linked CIA factbook. Most spoken language English 18.8%, Mandarin 13.8% Most spoken _first_ language Mandarin 12.3% vs English 5.1% The short/medium term competition is 14% of native mandarin speakers vs 5% native english speakers + 13% non native speakers of different fluency. Long / very long term (2050-2100), Mandarin speakers will likely decline to 1/12 of the world, while English speakers will likely increase, maybe 1/4 of the world. But Ultimately only a fraction of talent is properly captured and exploited, so it really depends on state policies, i.e. PRC graduates STEM at 2x the rate of the US or 8x more graduates per year, more than west taking in talent via brain drain. Hence IMO enough to rival English, which is the best PRC can hope for because displacing English with Chinese is too culturally difficult.