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Humans are definitely aligned, and for the same reasons as a LLM. Socialization, being allowed to work, being allowed to speak. edit: It's a social faux pas to

Humans are definitely aligned, and for the same reasons as a LLM. Socialization, being allowed to work, being allowed to speak. edit: It's a social faux pas to say "died" about a person acquainted to the listener in most situations, you have to say "passed away."

digging 3y ago
> Humans are definitely aligned Yes, that's why climate change was rapidly addressed when we began to understand it well 60 years ago and why war has always been so rare in human history.
- hcurtiss 3y ago
  It seems "aligned" is in the eye of the beholder.
  - slowmovintarget 3y ago
    Cue Mrs. Slokam's "...and I am unanimous in that!" Aligned LLMs are just like altered brains... they don't function properly.
  - digging 3y ago
    Not agreed at all. Causing global ecosystem collapse is unambiguously misaligned with human interests and with the interests of almost all other life forms. You need to define what "Alignment" means to you if you're going to assert humans are "aligned", because it is accepted in alignment research that humans are not aligned, which is one of the fundamental problems in the space.
epcoa 3y ago
> It's a social faux pas to say "died" about a person acquainted to the listener in most situations That’s overly simplistic and an Americanism. The resurgence of the “passed away” euphemism is a recent (about 40 years) phenomenon in American English which seems to have been started out of the funeral industry as prior to that “died” was nearly universal for both news stories and obituaries. “Died” is not a social faux pas. It’s the good default option as well. Medical professionals are often trained to avoid any euphemisms for death. I’ve never observed any problems professionally (as is standard) or personally using died even with folks that are religious. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/207087/origin-of-terms-passed-away-and-deceased https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/207087/origin-of...
- oceanplexian 3y ago
  I have never use the phrase passed away. Always died, dead, gone, or something along those lines. When someone says passed away it sounds like they are trying to feign empathy, but hey, perhaps I am not an “aligned” human and need some RLHF.
  - epcoa 3y ago
    I used to live in the south 30 years ago. I remember some southern baptist moms that wouldn't say the word "dead" - sometimes they'd spell it out, lol, similar to the way some people consider hell a swear word. This kind of hypersensitivity wasn't common outside of limited circles then, and it's certainly not more common today. Similarly I wouldn't consider saying hell in public in 2023 to be a social faux pas.

digging 3y ago

> Humans are definitely aligned Yes, that's why climate change was rapidly addressed when we began to understand it well 60 years ago and why war has always been so rare in human history.

hcurtiss 3y ago
It seems "aligned" is in the eye of the beholder.
- slowmovintarget 3y ago
  Cue Mrs. Slokam's "...and I am unanimous in that!" Aligned LLMs are just like altered brains... they don't function properly.
- digging 3y ago
  Not agreed at all. Causing global ecosystem collapse is unambiguously misaligned with human interests and with the interests of almost all other life forms. You need to define what "Alignment" means to you if you're going to assert humans are "aligned", because it is accepted in alignment research that humans are not aligned, which is one of the fundamental problems in the space.

epcoa 3y ago

> It's a social faux pas to say "died" about a person acquainted to the listener in most situations That’s overly simplistic and an Americanism. The resurgence of the “passed away” euphemism is a recent (about 40 years) phenomenon in American English which seems to have been started out of the funeral industry as prior to that “died” was nearly universal for both news stories and obituaries. “Died” is not a social faux pas. It’s the good default option as well. Medical professionals are often trained to avoid any euphemisms for death. I’ve never observed any problems professionally (as is standard) or personally using died even with folks that are religious. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/207087/origin-of-terms-passed-away-and-deceased https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/207087/origin-of...

oceanplexian 3y ago
I have never use the phrase passed away. Always died, dead, gone, or something along those lines. When someone says passed away it sounds like they are trying to feign empathy, but hey, perhaps I am not an “aligned” human and need some RLHF.
- epcoa 3y ago
  I used to live in the south 30 years ago. I remember some southern baptist moms that wouldn't say the word "dead" - sometimes they'd spell it out, lol, similar to the way some people consider hell a swear word. This kind of hypersensitivity wasn't common outside of limited circles then, and it's certainly not more common today. Similarly I wouldn't consider saying hell in public in 2023 to be a social faux pas.