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Why not publicly distribute the design? Because skimmer-makers might adapt? It seems trivial to acquire one (getting a job at Target or spoofing a corp email ac

Why not publicly distribute the design? Because skimmer-makers might adapt? It seems trivial to acquire one (getting a job at Target or spoofing a corp email account isn't a high barrier).

groby_b 3y ago
It is, however, added friction, and that's 90% of the security game. Every additional layer helps. (And a corp email account adds a paper trail, at the very least)
- dawnerd 3y ago
  They also patented it so I imagine that’s part of their reasoning.
jerf 3y ago
I would expect that the corporations will be asked to sign an indemnity agreement before they get the design. Target doesn't want to be held liable in case a skimmer is built that defeats this detection and the recipient needs to understand there are no guarantees. It's nice that someone got this through the default corporate deny policies.
- samtho 3y ago
  It’s sad that this is likely the case. In general, an “As is/no warranty” shrinkwrap contract should be sufficient for legal protection but won’t prevent people from filing nuisance lawsuits, which I suspect they wish to avoid altogether.
kyleyeats 3y ago
That's what the OP is. > Based on the success we saw with EasySweep, we decided to offer the design, for free, to other retailers.
- loeg 3y ago
  You still have to request access from Target. GP is asking for it to just be published online somewhere.
  - kyleyeats 3y ago
    Ah good point. Target's one of the most serious companies in the world about this, with a forensics lab and everything. I'm surprised they're doing this much, even if the skimmers obviously have access to the same measurements.
  - gorkish 3y ago
    It's right here: https://patents.google.com/patent/US11507762B2/ https://patents.google.com/patent/US11507762B2/ Took me five seconds. You can make one if you feel like it.
    - loeg 3y ago
      That is not the "Step CAD file" available to retailers who contact Target and this thread is asking to be published.

Why not publicly distribute the design? Because skimmer-makers might adapt? It seems trivial to acquire one (getting a job at Target or spoofing a corp email account isn't a high barrier).

groby_b 3y ago

It is, however, added friction, and that's 90% of the security game. Every additional layer helps. (And a corp email account adds a paper trail, at the very least)

dawnerd 3y ago
They also patented it so I imagine that’s part of their reasoning.

jerf 3y ago

I would expect that the corporations will be asked to sign an indemnity agreement before they get the design. Target doesn't want to be held liable in case a skimmer is built that defeats this detection and the recipient needs to understand there are no guarantees. It's nice that someone got this through the default corporate deny policies.

samtho 3y ago
It’s sad that this is likely the case. In general, an “As is/no warranty” shrinkwrap contract should be sufficient for legal protection but won’t prevent people from filing nuisance lawsuits, which I suspect they wish to avoid altogether.

kyleyeats 3y ago

That's what the OP is. > Based on the success we saw with EasySweep, we decided to offer the design, for free, to other retailers.

loeg 3y ago
You still have to request access from Target. GP is asking for it to just be published online somewhere.
- kyleyeats 3y ago
  Ah good point. Target's one of the most serious companies in the world about this, with a forensics lab and everything. I'm surprised they're doing this much, even if the skimmers obviously have access to the same measurements.
- gorkish 3y ago
  It's right here: https://patents.google.com/patent/US11507762B2/ https://patents.google.com/patent/US11507762B2/ Took me five seconds. You can make one if you feel like it.
  - loeg 3y ago
    That is not the "Step CAD file" available to retailers who contact Target and this thread is asking to be published.