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Go back to the start of Intellectual Property law. Patents are supposed to be a deal between the inventor and society, inventors get rich for 17 years of exclus

Go back to the start of Intellectual Property law. Patents are supposed to be a deal between the inventor and society, inventors get rich for 17 years of exclusivity then the public gets to have the whole design available to use. Fair deal. What we have now is not a fair deal, to the point that people are trying to re-invent the notions that the laws were originally supposed to embody.

BSEdlMMldESB 3y ago
one I first started coming online, there was no "intellectual property law" what there was: trademark law, copyright law, and patent law. but 3 turn to 1?
- deleted 3y ago
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- technothrasher 3y ago
  You were online in the 1960s? The term "intellectual property law" started to be commonly used after the formation of the World Intellectual Property Organization in 1967.
  - andyinfrance 3y ago
    Hi Technothrasher, sorry to jump this thread, was reading about a thread 46 days ago where you have made ecu replacements for 308’s I presume that’s with the Bosch K-Jetronic and Magneti Marelli 801/802a ecu’s? Can you contact me about these I’m interested, thanks
  - BSEdlMMldESB 3y ago
    an international organizaion does not pass laws in any country. NGOs such as that one (which I admit did not know existed) influence countries into shifting their laws over a long time when I stared coming online, national talk about IP laws was just starting out. I don't keep up to date with law reforms, but in the late 90s mainstream awareness was shifting into this mindset of IP law. and back then, the law still spoke of those 3 concepts on their own. I suppose now it's really just one blob of ownership over ideas for the sake of some misguided market-ideology
- andyinfrance 3y ago
  Hi Technothrasher, sorry to jump this thread, was reading about a thread 46 days ago where you have made ecu replacements for 308’s I presume that’s with the Bosch K-Jetronic and Magneti Marelli 801/802a ecu’s? Can you contact me about these I’m interested, thanks
  - psd1 3y ago
    I wonder if I've interacted with you on jaguarforums...! I guess a 308 is a Ferrari, but Jaguar also used these systems in the later XJS models.
pydry 3y ago
I'm pretty sure that hallowed time when intellectually property "worked" before everything went bad is a myth. There are plenty of countries that didnt enforce it for a time though and experienced a kind of mini renaissance. I dont think it was ever really intended to "protect" the rights of inventors nor was it ever good at doing so.
- bsder 3y ago
  > There are plenty of countries that didnt enforce it for a time though and experienced a kind of mini renaissance. See: America, England, and the Industrial Revolution
  - fragmede 3y ago
    The story of Hollywood as well.
- loup-vaillant 3y ago
  I’ve heard that (at least in some places) patent started as a a trade barrier, to protect domestic industries from foreign competition. The penniless inventor was just a fable to sell the idea.
varispeed 3y ago
I don't think patents should exist at all. They are basically designed for the rich to enjoy regulatory capture. Patents don't take into account things like you can "invent" something naturally by exploring given idea. I have few times developed something and then through more research learned it has been patented, so I had to find a different way of doing the same thing and wasting time. Even if I invented something first I wouldn't have means to patent it. Now we have a situation where things like VC funds are forcing companies to patent anything they can as a prerequisite for receiving money - in case the idea won't get executed correctly, they could chase any other company that comes up with the same idea, for money. and yeah, you invented something, but for any reason you didn't or couldn't patent it and then some toff's engineer figures the same idea? They get the patent and you have to abandon it. The whole patent thing should be scrapped is not fit for purpose.

BSEdlMMldESB 3y ago

one I first started coming online, there was no "intellectual property law" what there was: trademark law, copyright law, and patent law. but 3 turn to 1?

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technothrasher 3y ago
You were online in the 1960s? The term "intellectual property law" started to be commonly used after the formation of the World Intellectual Property Organization in 1967.
- andyinfrance 3y ago
  Hi Technothrasher, sorry to jump this thread, was reading about a thread 46 days ago where you have made ecu replacements for 308’s I presume that’s with the Bosch K-Jetronic and Magneti Marelli 801/802a ecu’s? Can you contact me about these I’m interested, thanks
- BSEdlMMldESB 3y ago
  an international organizaion does not pass laws in any country. NGOs such as that one (which I admit did not know existed) influence countries into shifting their laws over a long time when I stared coming online, national talk about IP laws was just starting out. I don't keep up to date with law reforms, but in the late 90s mainstream awareness was shifting into this mindset of IP law. and back then, the law still spoke of those 3 concepts on their own. I suppose now it's really just one blob of ownership over ideas for the sake of some misguided market-ideology
andyinfrance 3y ago
Hi Technothrasher, sorry to jump this thread, was reading about a thread 46 days ago where you have made ecu replacements for 308’s I presume that’s with the Bosch K-Jetronic and Magneti Marelli 801/802a ecu’s? Can you contact me about these I’m interested, thanks
- psd1 3y ago
  I wonder if I've interacted with you on jaguarforums...! I guess a 308 is a Ferrari, but Jaguar also used these systems in the later XJS models.

pydry 3y ago

I'm pretty sure that hallowed time when intellectually property "worked" before everything went bad is a myth. There are plenty of countries that didnt enforce it for a time though and experienced a kind of mini renaissance. I dont think it was ever really intended to "protect" the rights of inventors nor was it ever good at doing so.

bsder 3y ago
> There are plenty of countries that didnt enforce it for a time though and experienced a kind of mini renaissance. See: America, England, and the Industrial Revolution
- fragmede 3y ago
  The story of Hollywood as well.
loup-vaillant 3y ago
I’ve heard that (at least in some places) patent started as a a trade barrier, to protect domestic industries from foreign competition. The penniless inventor was just a fable to sell the idea.

varispeed 3y ago

I don't think patents should exist at all. They are basically designed for the rich to enjoy regulatory capture. Patents don't take into account things like you can "invent" something naturally by exploring given idea. I have few times developed something and then through more research learned it has been patented, so I had to find a different way of doing the same thing and wasting time. Even if I invented something first I wouldn't have means to patent it. Now we have a situation where things like VC funds are forcing companies to patent anything they can as a prerequisite for receiving money - in case the idea won't get executed correctly, they could chase any other company that comes up with the same idea, for money. and yeah, you invented something, but for any reason you didn't or couldn't patent it and then some toff's engineer figures the same idea? They get the patent and you have to abandon it. The whole patent thing should be scrapped is not fit for purpose.