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>"Just not immediately" is a big fucking deal for people in Amsterdam who use their bicycles as their primary means of transportation. Imagine you lived in Phoe

>"Just not immediately" is a big fucking deal for people in Amsterdam who use their bicycles as their primary means of transportation. Imagine you lived in Phoenix right now and the same thing happened with your car. You dropped off your Rivian or Lucid for repairs and -- surprise! -- they were actually on the brink of bankruptcy, so now the only way for you to get to work, pick up kids, etc. is to try walking, biking, or busing for miles in 110F+ degree heat until the courts figure out how to get your vehicle back to you. It's not remotely the same. You can buy a used €100 bike in Amsterdam easily (which should be no big deal to people riding around on €2300 bikes). You're not walking miles in 110F heat to the store in Amsterdam, more like a 1 km (max) walk in 22c weather. I don't think you realize how common actual bike theft is in the Netherlands. It is in no way a big deal.

doxick 3y ago
If thay were true, you could also buy a 500€ beater car if you can afford your own car... But i don't see that happening either. Living in the next town over from amsterdam: many people use ebikes for a 20km journey between towns, both ways. Alternatives? - Cycling 3 hours a day on your 100€ used rusty bike - tucking your two year old in your backpack while bringing it to the daycare (we put them on purpose-built kids seats byt that connector is stuck on the vanMoof) - +-200€ a month of public transport cost (excl kids) - 7,50 a day on top of public transport for a bike ticket (if i also need my bike in the other town and don't have 3 hours a day extra to cycle) (oh and you're not allowed during rush hour) If i would depend on a bike, it would be a massive inconvenience to not have it at best, and would be crippling for my day to day at worst.
- Gud 3y ago
  Or take the bus. the public transport is really not too bad in Amsterdam. Owning and operating a car and a bicycle are vastly different things. You are exaggerating the similarities

doxick 3y ago

If thay were true, you could also buy a 500€ beater car if you can afford your own car... But i don't see that happening either. Living in the next town over from amsterdam: many people use ebikes for a 20km journey between towns, both ways. Alternatives? - Cycling 3 hours a day on your 100€ used rusty bike - tucking your two year old in your backpack while bringing it to the daycare (we put them on purpose-built kids seats byt that connector is stuck on the vanMoof) - +-200€ a month of public transport cost (excl kids) - 7,50 a day on top of public transport for a bike ticket (if i also need my bike in the other town and don't have 3 hours a day extra to cycle) (oh and you're not allowed during rush hour) If i would depend on a bike, it would be a massive inconvenience to not have it at best, and would be crippling for my day to day at worst.

Gud 3y ago
Or take the bus. the public transport is really not too bad in Amsterdam. Owning and operating a car and a bicycle are vastly different things. You are exaggerating the similarities