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> The customers will get their property back, just not immediately. "Just not immediately" is a big fucking deal for people in Amsterdam who use their bicycles

> The customers will get their property back, just not immediately. "Just not immediately" is a big fucking deal for people in Amsterdam who use their bicycles as their primary means of transportation. Imagine you lived in Phoenix right now and the same thing happened with your car. You dropped off your Rivian or Lucid for repairs and -- surprise! -- they were actually on the brink of bankruptcy, so now the only way for you to get to work, pick up kids, etc. is to try walking, biking, or busing for miles in 110F+ degree heat until the courts figure out how to get your vehicle back to you. If I depended on my bike for transportation -- as is the case for many people in Amsterdam -- then holding onto my bike for more than a few days for a repair is effective theft of my primary means of transportation. If the mechanic tells me they can swap out a part in a couple of days and needs to keep the bike for that, no big deal. The milk in my fridge won't spoil in that time, and I can WFH for a couple of days. Maybe take a while longer to get to and from daycare by walking and busing. But if my bike becomes unavailable for much longer than that, at that point I would be forced to treat it exactly like a theft and purchase a replacement so I can travel the way I need to again. I still need to buy groceries and get to the office in a reasonable amount of time, and I don't have weeks or months to wait until the courts/lawyers can finally figure out WTF is going on with the property locked in the stores. Sure, chances are I'll eventually get my means of transportation back, but by then it will be too late, since I will have been forced to replace it by then. It's de facto theft.

yourusername 3y ago
>"Just not immediately" is a big fucking deal for people in Amsterdam who use their bicycles as their primary means of transportation. Imagine you lived in Phoenix right now and the same thing happened with your car. You dropped off your Rivian or Lucid for repairs and -- surprise! -- they were actually on the brink of bankruptcy, so now the only way for you to get to work, pick up kids, etc. is to try walking, biking, or busing for miles in 110F+ degree heat until the courts figure out how to get your vehicle back to you. It's not remotely the same. You can buy a used €100 bike in Amsterdam easily (which should be no big deal to people riding around on €2300 bikes). You're not walking miles in 110F heat to the store in Amsterdam, more like a 1 km (max) walk in 22c weather. I don't think you realize how common actual bike theft is in the Netherlands. It is in no way a big deal.
- doxick 3y ago
  If thay were true, you could also buy a 500€ beater car if you can afford your own car... But i don't see that happening either. Living in the next town over from amsterdam: many people use ebikes for a 20km journey between towns, both ways. Alternatives? - Cycling 3 hours a day on your 100€ used rusty bike - tucking your two year old in your backpack while bringing it to the daycare (we put them on purpose-built kids seats byt that connector is stuck on the vanMoof) - +-200€ a month of public transport cost (excl kids) - 7,50 a day on top of public transport for a bike ticket (if i also need my bike in the other town and don't have 3 hours a day extra to cycle) (oh and you're not allowed during rush hour) If i would depend on a bike, it would be a massive inconvenience to not have it at best, and would be crippling for my day to day at worst.
  - Gud 3y ago
    Or take the bus. the public transport is really not too bad in Amsterdam. Owning and operating a car and a bicycle are vastly different things. You are exaggerating the similarities
user_named 3y ago
It's not de facto theft just because you write an unhinged comment and then claim that it is.
ghusto 3y ago
No, it's not at all like this. Bikes are so ubiquitous here that before given this bike in for repair, the people would already have secured (likely already had) a spare bike for the duration of the repairs. And no, it's not theft, this is how bankruptcy works. All assets and _anything on the property_ is frozen, until creditors sort through it all. There's nothing illegal or dodgy going on, it's just that some people had the misfortune to have their bikes on the bankrupt companies property. _Man_, you guys like to complain about nothing.

yourusername 3y ago

>"Just not immediately" is a big fucking deal for people in Amsterdam who use their bicycles as their primary means of transportation. Imagine you lived in Phoenix right now and the same thing happened with your car. You dropped off your Rivian or Lucid for repairs and -- surprise! -- they were actually on the brink of bankruptcy, so now the only way for you to get to work, pick up kids, etc. is to try walking, biking, or busing for miles in 110F+ degree heat until the courts figure out how to get your vehicle back to you. It's not remotely the same. You can buy a used €100 bike in Amsterdam easily (which should be no big deal to people riding around on €2300 bikes). You're not walking miles in 110F heat to the store in Amsterdam, more like a 1 km (max) walk in 22c weather. I don't think you realize how common actual bike theft is in the Netherlands. It is in no way a big deal.

doxick 3y ago
If thay were true, you could also buy a 500€ beater car if you can afford your own car... But i don't see that happening either. Living in the next town over from amsterdam: many people use ebikes for a 20km journey between towns, both ways. Alternatives? - Cycling 3 hours a day on your 100€ used rusty bike - tucking your two year old in your backpack while bringing it to the daycare (we put them on purpose-built kids seats byt that connector is stuck on the vanMoof) - +-200€ a month of public transport cost (excl kids) - 7,50 a day on top of public transport for a bike ticket (if i also need my bike in the other town and don't have 3 hours a day extra to cycle) (oh and you're not allowed during rush hour) If i would depend on a bike, it would be a massive inconvenience to not have it at best, and would be crippling for my day to day at worst.
- Gud 3y ago
  Or take the bus. the public transport is really not too bad in Amsterdam. Owning and operating a car and a bicycle are vastly different things. You are exaggerating the similarities

user_named 3y ago

It's not de facto theft just because you write an unhinged comment and then claim that it is.

ghusto 3y ago

No, it's not at all like this. Bikes are so ubiquitous here that before given this bike in for repair, the people would already have secured (likely already had) a spare bike for the duration of the repairs. And no, it's not theft, this is how bankruptcy works. All assets and _anything on the property_ is frozen, until creditors sort through it all. There's nothing illegal or dodgy going on, it's just that some people had the misfortune to have their bikes on the bankrupt companies property. _Man_, you guys like to complain about nothing.