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If it was an experiment I'd like to know why I'm still paying for access to something claiming to be it.

by s1gnp0st 3y ago

nicky0 3y ago
Because you are getting value from it. Why else would you pay?
- babushkanazi 3y ago
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insanitybit 3y ago
Because you signed up to pay for a beta service???? You can stop paying at any time.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  If you're paying for it, it's a released product, not a beta. No matter how much a company wants to claim it's a "beta", it's simply not. The company just wants to be able to adhere to lower standards. OpenAI is hardly the only company that pulls these shenanigans, too.
  - insanitybit 3y ago
    No, beta has nothing to do with if it's paid or not. Lots of products are released, and you pay for them, with early access/ beta. No one lied to you. No one tricked you. It is in beta. You chose to pay for it.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      I never said anyone lied to or tricked anyone. I'm saying that "beta" is a term referring to pre-release testing. If people are paying for it, it's been released and is therefore no longer a beta. Calling it a "beta" at that point is just pure PR.
      - insanitybit 3y ago
        > If people are paying for it, it's been released and is therefore no longer a beta. no You can define "beta" whatever weird way you want but don't complain when it's not how literally everyone else uses it and don't complain when you're paying for something that uses the term the way everyone else does
        JohnFen 3y ago
        My "weird way" is old-school, I admit, but it's not weird. It used to be mainstream. Google led the charge to deprive "beta" of actual meaning. I won't stop pushing back on it, because the redefinition makes it more difficult to talk about technical issues. > don't complain when you're paying for something that uses the term the way everyone else does I won't, because I won't pay to be a beta tester in the first place. I don't care what others do.
        insanitybit 3y ago
        > because I won't pay to be a beta tester in the first place. Apparently you will, because you started this thread with "why am I paying for this beta software?".
  - somsak2 3y ago
    this is just not at all true -- companies have private betas that they monetize all the time. yes, the company provides lower guarantees on the product being supported. but the customer gets to use a product far before they normally would if they waited for general availability. that's the core of the idea behind a beta, not related to if it's paid or not
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      As I said, doing this is not rare and is certainly not limited to OpenAI. But it's misusing the term "beta" pretty significantly.

If it was an experiment I'd like to know why I'm still paying for access to something claiming to be it.

nicky0 3y ago

Because you are getting value from it. Why else would you pay?

babushkanazi 3y ago
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insanitybit 3y ago

Because you signed up to pay for a beta service???? You can stop paying at any time.

JohnFen 3y ago
If you're paying for it, it's a released product, not a beta. No matter how much a company wants to claim it's a "beta", it's simply not. The company just wants to be able to adhere to lower standards. OpenAI is hardly the only company that pulls these shenanigans, too.
- insanitybit 3y ago
  No, beta has nothing to do with if it's paid or not. Lots of products are released, and you pay for them, with early access/ beta. No one lied to you. No one tricked you. It is in beta. You chose to pay for it.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    I never said anyone lied to or tricked anyone. I'm saying that "beta" is a term referring to pre-release testing. If people are paying for it, it's been released and is therefore no longer a beta. Calling it a "beta" at that point is just pure PR.
    - insanitybit 3y ago
      > If people are paying for it, it's been released and is therefore no longer a beta. no You can define "beta" whatever weird way you want but don't complain when it's not how literally everyone else uses it and don't complain when you're paying for something that uses the term the way everyone else does
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        My "weird way" is old-school, I admit, but it's not weird. It used to be mainstream. Google led the charge to deprive "beta" of actual meaning. I won't stop pushing back on it, because the redefinition makes it more difficult to talk about technical issues. > don't complain when you're paying for something that uses the term the way everyone else does I won't, because I won't pay to be a beta tester in the first place. I don't care what others do.
        insanitybit 3y ago
        > because I won't pay to be a beta tester in the first place. Apparently you will, because you started this thread with "why am I paying for this beta software?".
- somsak2 3y ago
  this is just not at all true -- companies have private betas that they monetize all the time. yes, the company provides lower guarantees on the product being supported. but the customer gets to use a product far before they normally would if they waited for general availability. that's the core of the idea behind a beta, not related to if it's paid or not
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    As I said, doing this is not rare and is certainly not limited to OpenAI. But it's misusing the term "beta" pretty significantly.