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Except the hospitals really couldn't do anything to help these people anyway and in some cases actually sped up their death with use of ventilators. Even more f

Except the hospitals really couldn't do anything to help these people anyway and in some cases actually sped up their death with use of ventilators. Even more frustrating, they could have been giving things like monoclonal antibodies right away but they didn't. Additionally, hospitals had years to figure out a better way of expanding their ICU's for emergency use. They also tend to operate on lowest required beds to save costs and began to quickly get overwhelmed due to their unpreparedness. "It allowed us to reduce the lethality of COVID-19 by having more resources per sick person. " This is false and there's no data backing this claim up.

shlant 3y ago
> in some cases actually sped up their death with use of ventilators The ventilator argument is brought up a lot so I wanted to share an article going over the related evidence: "Based on the evidence at hand, we can reasonably say that there probably wasn’t a large impact either way from early intubation treatment paradigms."[1] [1] https://archive.li/RNzwh#selection-1077.0-1077.148 https://archive.li/RNzwh#selection-1077.0-1077.148
- DrThunder 3y ago
  So it was useless? Okay, then the idea lockdowns were needed for hospitals with useless treatments is still bad.
BHSPitMonkey 3y ago
> Except the hospitals really couldn't do anything to help these people anyway and in some cases actually sped up their death with use of ventilators. Even more frustrating, they could have been giving things like monoclonal antibodies right away but they didn't. Uninformed and wrong. ICU staff worked through extreme conditions to save many. Ask a few how much better their patients would have fared at home instead. > Additionally, hospitals had years to figure out a better way of expanding their ICU's for emergency use. They also tend to operate on lowest required beds to save costs and began to quickly get overwhelmed due to their unpreparedness. Expanding ICUs is not a matter of furnishing rooms, it's a matter of finding people with the requisite skills and experience. A localized need can be met by moving people around, but when every hospital in the country needs to grow its staff there is no way to conjure up more of this sort of person.
- DrThunder 3y ago
  Statistical proof please. I don't care about your anecdotal evidence, especially when it was used for authoritarian lockdown measures that resulted in things just as bad or WORSE than what COVID caused.

shlant 3y ago

> in some cases actually sped up their death with use of ventilators The ventilator argument is brought up a lot so I wanted to share an article going over the related evidence: "Based on the evidence at hand, we can reasonably say that there probably wasn’t a large impact either way from early intubation treatment paradigms."[1] [1] https://archive.li/RNzwh#selection-1077.0-1077.148 https://archive.li/RNzwh#selection-1077.0-1077.148

DrThunder 3y ago
So it was useless? Okay, then the idea lockdowns were needed for hospitals with useless treatments is still bad.

BHSPitMonkey 3y ago

> Except the hospitals really couldn't do anything to help these people anyway and in some cases actually sped up their death with use of ventilators. Even more frustrating, they could have been giving things like monoclonal antibodies right away but they didn't. Uninformed and wrong. ICU staff worked through extreme conditions to save many. Ask a few how much better their patients would have fared at home instead. > Additionally, hospitals had years to figure out a better way of expanding their ICU's for emergency use. They also tend to operate on lowest required beds to save costs and began to quickly get overwhelmed due to their unpreparedness. Expanding ICUs is not a matter of furnishing rooms, it's a matter of finding people with the requisite skills and experience. A localized need can be met by moving people around, but when every hospital in the country needs to grow its staff there is no way to conjure up more of this sort of person.

DrThunder 3y ago
Statistical proof please. I don't care about your anecdotal evidence, especially when it was used for authoritarian lockdown measures that resulted in things just as bad or WORSE than what COVID caused.