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Much has changed in the last 50 years. We jumped quickly on the bandwagon of change and criticized the decisions of our grandparents. And here you can see the r

Much has changed in the last 50 years. We jumped quickly on the bandwagon of change and criticized the decisions of our grandparents. And here you can see the results. Look at everything we've done with our core national values, our moral values and our traditions. For instance, nowadays it's considered outdated and even racist to be patriotic. Family values are seen as old school and outdated. The police is seen as the enemy. Disciplining children or letting them roam can land you on child protection services. If we want strong institutions, we need strong values. Our ancestors discovered much through blood and tears and left us a legacy of how to have a society. Let's remember that before jumping on the next flashy trend. Let's move ahead but carefully.

AlexandrB 3y ago
This seems like a free floating rant unrelated to the article. As noted in the article the police are one of the top three trusted institutions. > For instance, nowadays it's considered outdated and even racist to be patriotic. And this isn't true. Even if you assume half the country believes this, the other half certainly does not. Neither half seems to trust the government though.
- glimshe 3y ago
  The police is trusted by 43% in 2023 according to the article. Being top three at 43% just confirms my "rant".
  - vaidhy 3y ago
    Why would you trust the police when the police does not earn the trust the population? What has changed is that their behavior is now more in the public eye.
  - bilbo0s 3y ago
    I think many are missing what I believe may be a material point here. The institutions are not as trusted today as they were for our grandparents or great grandparents. This is true. At the same time, the institutions operate in a significantly different fashion today, than they did in our grandparent's or great grandparent's day. The police are a good example. 60 years ago a cop would have been walking a beat so to speak. Nowadays, that form of policing is thought to be laughable. Today our police operate in a manner that is more familiar to people who have done a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan. the difference being, they dispense with the Civil Affairs guys. So from the perspective of an observer with a bit of military training you can see an enormous difference between those two methods of practice. And the collapse of confidence in the contemporary environment would, frankly, be kind of expected by most military observers. The police are just a for instance here. Many of our institutions are, yes, less trusted, but also operating significantly differently than they operated when they were more trusted. And I think a lot of us get stuck on the "there is no trust" while losing sight of the "resource constraints oblige operational change" part of the issue.
yedava 3y ago
Is it just us jumping on a bandwagon or is it sustained corporate propaganda that undermined institutions? Our ancestors used to believe in things like anti-trust, labor protections and so do the people today. So what changed?
walls 3y ago
It’s not outdated or racist to be patriotic, but the most overtly “patriotic” people are usually racist and fighting to make things worse for everyone else. Police are seen as the enemy because they’ve stopped doing their jobs and allowed power to corrupt the entire institution. Bad cops are shuffled between locations like trading cards.
vaidhy 3y ago
50 years before were the era of Jim crow, Vietnam war, separate but equal segregation. Can you point out what changed in 50 years? The only thing I can figure out is the constant news cycle that has made everyone paranoid and makes them see boogeyman everywhere.

AlexandrB 3y ago

This seems like a free floating rant unrelated to the article. As noted in the article the police are one of the top three trusted institutions. > For instance, nowadays it's considered outdated and even racist to be patriotic. And this isn't true. Even if you assume half the country believes this, the other half certainly does not. Neither half seems to trust the government though.

glimshe 3y ago
The police is trusted by 43% in 2023 according to the article. Being top three at 43% just confirms my "rant".
- vaidhy 3y ago
  Why would you trust the police when the police does not earn the trust the population? What has changed is that their behavior is now more in the public eye.
- bilbo0s 3y ago
  I think many are missing what I believe may be a material point here. The institutions are not as trusted today as they were for our grandparents or great grandparents. This is true. At the same time, the institutions operate in a significantly different fashion today, than they did in our grandparent's or great grandparent's day. The police are a good example. 60 years ago a cop would have been walking a beat so to speak. Nowadays, that form of policing is thought to be laughable. Today our police operate in a manner that is more familiar to people who have done a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan. the difference being, they dispense with the Civil Affairs guys. So from the perspective of an observer with a bit of military training you can see an enormous difference between those two methods of practice. And the collapse of confidence in the contemporary environment would, frankly, be kind of expected by most military observers. The police are just a for instance here. Many of our institutions are, yes, less trusted, but also operating significantly differently than they operated when they were more trusted. And I think a lot of us get stuck on the "there is no trust" while losing sight of the "resource constraints oblige operational change" part of the issue.

yedava 3y ago

Is it just us jumping on a bandwagon or is it sustained corporate propaganda that undermined institutions? Our ancestors used to believe in things like anti-trust, labor protections and so do the people today. So what changed?

walls 3y ago

It’s not outdated or racist to be patriotic, but the most overtly “patriotic” people are usually racist and fighting to make things worse for everyone else. Police are seen as the enemy because they’ve stopped doing their jobs and allowed power to corrupt the entire institution. Bad cops are shuffled between locations like trading cards.

vaidhy 3y ago

50 years before were the era of Jim crow, Vietnam war, separate but equal segregation. Can you point out what changed in 50 years? The only thing I can figure out is the constant news cycle that has made everyone paranoid and makes them see boogeyman everywhere.