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All of the infosec people I follow have moved to Mastodon. As someone with primarily tech related interests, I'm currently finding Mastodon as good or better th

by yosito 3y ago

All of the infosec people I follow have moved to Mastodon. As someone with primarily tech related interests, I'm currently finding Mastodon as good or better than Twitter at it's prime.

throwaway290 3y ago
What I dislike about Mastodon is how people talk about "moving to Mastodon". Unlike Twitter, FB etc. you don't just "move to Mastodon"... you move to some ActivityPub server. Which one? They don't want you to know I guess? Edit: thanks for the pointers!
- yellow_lead 3y ago
  Defcon.social works great for this particular subject.
- deleted 3y ago
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- lapcat 3y ago
  > They don't want you to know. This sounds overly dramatic and conspiratorial.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    Why conspiratorial? People are allowed to be private and not want others to follow them by not saying exactly where they moved. I am allowed to voice my frustration about that. Segregating communities is the trend now (post web 2.0 social platforms), I don't think that is over dramatizing things.
    - lapcat 3y ago
      Don't forget that Twitter was actively censoring Mastodon links and preventing users from putting them in their Twitter profiles: https://mastodon.social/@danluu/109521316258129814 https://mastodon.social/@danluu/109521316258129814
      - throwaway290 3y ago
        I'm more about tech people casually dropping they moved to Mastodon, us techies kinda get Mastodon is not a single place like Twitter so the only explanation for not saying "I moved from Twitter to such or such community" is not wanting people to know.
        lapcat 3y ago
        > the only explanation for not saying "I moved from Twitter to such or such community" is not wanting people to know. The only explanation for something that people are, in your own words, "casually dropping"? Your comment practically contradicts itself.
        rsynnott 3y ago
        > us techies kinda get Mastodon is not a single place like Twitter so the only explanation for not saying "I moved from Twitter to such or such community" is not wanting people to know. Eh? There are _some_ Mastodon instances which are to some a community distinct from Mastodon writ large, but that's not most of them. I moved from Twitter initially to mastodon.online (one of the giant ones, not really a community at all), then to mastodon.ie (the generic Ireland one; marginally a community, but only very marginally), and reserve the right to move further if appropriate. But I don't see why anyone would care about the distinction between them, really. Generally, I would assume it's less not wanting people to know, and more that it's irrelevant detail. I think this is maybe a common point of confusion over Mastodon; for most people, for most purposes, the instance _simply does not matter_. There are some generally very small instances which are highly focused on specific communities (and may even require that user content revolves largely around those communities) but those are rare; I'd expect under 1% of the user ship. For most people Mastodon is the community, not their instance. If someone says "I used to do business mostly by post and fax, but now do it mostly by email" you wouldn't go "ah, but are you using gmail or hotmail? It must be a conspiracy because you don't want to tell us!" They don't name the email provider because it is _irrelevant_.
- entropyie 3y ago
  For those whom are curious, a lot of infosec people are now on infosec.exchange .
  - mayd 3y ago
    For those who are curious ...
- rsynnott 3y ago
  I mean... strictly speaking yes, but for most practical purposes it hardly matters, surely?
- ASalazarMX 3y ago
  But they're specifically moving to Mastodon (infosec.exchange and defcon.social), which is not the same as moving to Lemmy, KBin, or PixelFed. For example, Lemmy federates with KBin, but not with Mastodon. Kbin federates both with Lemmy and Mastodon. Also, Mastodon has a Twitter-like UX, while Lemmy/Kbin have a Reddit-like UX. PixelFed has a Flickr-like UX. It makes a difference, and insisting on calling them ActivityPub or Fediverse servers has strong GNU/Linux vibes, which we should probably avoid too.
  - yosito 3y ago
    > Lemmy federates with KBin, but not with Mastodon I follow several Lemmy users on Mastodon.
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  - themoonisachees 3y ago
    Lemmy federates with Mastodon. You can @ a community to post in it.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    You are making the same mistake. There is no Mastodon as a place or protocol. There's ActivityPub and a bunch of server/client software. Mastodon is one of those

by yosito 3y ago

All of the infosec people I follow have moved to Mastodon. As someone with primarily tech related interests, I'm currently finding Mastodon as good or better than Twitter at it's prime.

throwaway290 3y ago

What I dislike about Mastodon is how people talk about "moving to Mastodon". Unlike Twitter, FB etc. you don't just "move to Mastodon"... you move to some ActivityPub server. Which one? They don't want you to know I guess? Edit: thanks for the pointers!

yellow_lead 3y ago
Defcon.social works great for this particular subject.
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lapcat 3y ago
> They don't want you to know. This sounds overly dramatic and conspiratorial.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  Why conspiratorial? People are allowed to be private and not want others to follow them by not saying exactly where they moved. I am allowed to voice my frustration about that. Segregating communities is the trend now (post web 2.0 social platforms), I don't think that is over dramatizing things.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    Don't forget that Twitter was actively censoring Mastodon links and preventing users from putting them in their Twitter profiles: https://mastodon.social/@danluu/109521316258129814 https://mastodon.social/@danluu/109521316258129814
    - throwaway290 3y ago
      I'm more about tech people casually dropping they moved to Mastodon, us techies kinda get Mastodon is not a single place like Twitter so the only explanation for not saying "I moved from Twitter to such or such community" is not wanting people to know.
      - lapcat 3y ago
        > the only explanation for not saying "I moved from Twitter to such or such community" is not wanting people to know. The only explanation for something that people are, in your own words, "casually dropping"? Your comment practically contradicts itself.
      - rsynnott 3y ago
        > us techies kinda get Mastodon is not a single place like Twitter so the only explanation for not saying "I moved from Twitter to such or such community" is not wanting people to know. Eh? There are _some_ Mastodon instances which are to some a community distinct from Mastodon writ large, but that's not most of them. I moved from Twitter initially to mastodon.online (one of the giant ones, not really a community at all), then to mastodon.ie (the generic Ireland one; marginally a community, but only very marginally), and reserve the right to move further if appropriate. But I don't see why anyone would care about the distinction between them, really. Generally, I would assume it's less not wanting people to know, and more that it's irrelevant detail. I think this is maybe a common point of confusion over Mastodon; for most people, for most purposes, the instance _simply does not matter_. There are some generally very small instances which are highly focused on specific communities (and may even require that user content revolves largely around those communities) but those are rare; I'd expect under 1% of the user ship. For most people Mastodon is the community, not their instance. If someone says "I used to do business mostly by post and fax, but now do it mostly by email" you wouldn't go "ah, but are you using gmail or hotmail? It must be a conspiracy because you don't want to tell us!" They don't name the email provider because it is _irrelevant_.
entropyie 3y ago
For those whom are curious, a lot of infosec people are now on infosec.exchange .
- mayd 3y ago
  For those who are curious ...
rsynnott 3y ago
I mean... strictly speaking yes, but for most practical purposes it hardly matters, surely?
ASalazarMX 3y ago
But they're specifically moving to Mastodon (infosec.exchange and defcon.social), which is not the same as moving to Lemmy, KBin, or PixelFed. For example, Lemmy federates with KBin, but not with Mastodon. Kbin federates both with Lemmy and Mastodon. Also, Mastodon has a Twitter-like UX, while Lemmy/Kbin have a Reddit-like UX. PixelFed has a Flickr-like UX. It makes a difference, and insisting on calling them ActivityPub or Fediverse servers has strong GNU/Linux vibes, which we should probably avoid too.
- yosito 3y ago
  > Lemmy federates with KBin, but not with Mastodon I follow several Lemmy users on Mastodon.
- deleted 3y ago
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- themoonisachees 3y ago
  Lemmy federates with Mastodon. You can @ a community to post in it.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  You are making the same mistake. There is no Mastodon as a place or protocol. There's ActivityPub and a bunch of server/client software. Mastodon is one of those