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> Slack filed a complaint with the EU in 2020, claiming that Microsoft was "force installing [Teams] for millions, blocking its removal, and hiding the true cos
by seszett 3y ago
> Slack filed a complaint with the EU in 2020, claiming that Microsoft was "force installing [Teams] for millions, blocking its removal, and hiding the true cost to enterprise customers."
I'm pretty sure force installing even more software and blocking removal isn't what they are going for.
- kwanbix 3y agoAre you forced to use it? I certainly don't use it. I was able to remove it from Windows without any problems. You don't like it? you can use Linux or buy a Mac. There are very credible alternatives today. Edge is bundled with Windows and Chrome still has 80% of the market or more. I still don't see the problem.
- kwanbix 3y ago[flagged]
- ethbr0 3y agoSee above.
- ethbr0 3y agoThe market for Teams isn't personal use: it's enterprise use. In enterprise, managed-device land, options are severely curtailed.
- kwanbix 3y agoMy current company uses Google's Workspace and Google Chat. My previous company used Workspace also, but they used Slack. For my startup, we use Google Workspace, and I would never ever pay the same amount of money I pay for GW to have Slack. The value proposition of Slack is not that valuable to charge what they charge. I would happily pay 1 or 2 euros per month per user, no more. I have never used Teams. Nobody is forcing me to.
- ethbr0 3y agoThat's good for you, but you are aware there are many, many Microsoft shops? And those people are often forced to use Teams because Microsoft sold to the VP/C*?
- kwanbix 3y agoSo? What you are saying is that Microsoft cannot add functionality? So then make all companies only sell one product. One company sells Excel, one company sells Google Sheet, One company sells Work, one company sells Google Docs, etc. Is that what you want?
- zokier 3y agoThe rules change if company is found to have dominant position on the market. Its not rocket science, nor is it matter of opinion.
- withinboredom 3y agoYes. Let me introduce you to a Mac. Where the messaging software comes preinstalled and you can’t remove it.
- gls2ro 3y agowhat is the market share for MacOS in EU or in US? I bet it is single digit right?
- withinboredom 3y agoYou can’t get mad at someone if you allow everyone else to do it too. That’s anti-competitive, on the government’s side.
- ThatPlayer 3y agoThat's the basis of modern anti-trust: bigger companies (by market share) are held to a higher standard to prevent monopolies. Unregulated monopolies are even more anti-competitive. And it's more competitive to only regulate potential monopolies than entire markets. It's the best of no perfect option.
- withinboredom 3y agoAh, that makes sense. Thanks!
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- seszett 3y agoWell I never said Apple was better, and in fact I think there have been a number of antitrust charges against Apple as well, maybe not directly related to "messaging software" but at least one of them was about opening iMessage to interoperability as far as I remember.