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Apple is the worst of the bunch imo. My personal ranking for worst antitrust offenders would be: 1) Apple 2) Amazon 3) Google 4) Microsoft Internationally tha

by jjcon 3y ago

Apple is the worst of the bunch imo. My personal ranking for worst antitrust offenders would be: 1) Apple 2) Amazon 3) Google 4) Microsoft Internationally that may be slightly different though. I’d also maybe include meta for their oculus purchase but I think they’ve tied it into their core, “social” business well enough that I’m not very concerned at the moment when there are bigger fish to fry.

eitland 3y ago
Nope. Google. They are on their way to corner the browser market. They've already killed Operas Presto and about every other engine except research engines and Firefox. Chrome and the way they pushed it with ads on the front page of Google [1]. The way Calendar and YouTube again and again has issues with Firefox. Or how some things just doesn't work in anything except Chrome - but hey, if you change how the browser identifies itself, suddenly other browsers work too. [1]: no one else, even disaster relief I thinkhas been allowed a spot there. The market value of weeks in that spot must be billions.
- theonlybutlet 3y ago
  The get out jail free card is that the engine is open source chromium, not actually held by Google. Others are free to use it.
  - skinkestek 3y ago
    Seeing that they already nerfed ad blocking possibilities in Chromium before completely killing Firefox, what do you think they will do once it is completely gone? Those who use Chromium - either end users or browser creators who build on Chromium - are dependent on the whims of Google.
    - AlchemistCamp 3y ago
      On this timeline, “completely killing Firefox” never happened. I used Chrome for a few years, but FF has been my primary browser since 2014.
    - LegitShady 3y ago
      Firefox zombie here, never noticed it dying. Firefoxs problems are generally things Mozilla does to itself.
- anonymousDan 3y ago
  I use Brave and I think it is great fwiw.
tonyedgecombe 3y ago
>Apple is the worst of the bunch imo. Not if you look at their respective market share.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Apple owns the majority mobile US market share. It's basically a monopoly.
  - esarbe 3y ago
    It's part of an oligopoly. Let's treat oligopolies the same as monopolies, because they behave almost the same.
  - freilanzer 3y ago
    57% ios vs 42% android.
  - ralfn 3y ago
    But that's not the case in the EU. They are more likely to come after Google. And the US government has issues coming after monopolies that are US based and bring a lot of money in (for obvious reasons). If the US starts regulating these companies more it would harm the US GDP. At least in the short term. There is an argument to be had that it could make the markets more competitive in the long term but without a lot of credible threats from outside of the US why take the hit and the risk?
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    65% is not a monopoly. In fact, we have a real judge that dismissed that argument in the Epic vs Apple case
seydor 3y ago
Apple's share in the EU is actually small, so it's up to the US to break their monopoly .
thefz 3y ago
> Apple is the worst of the bunch imo. What really irritates me is that they are the worst in most cases yet they PR themselves out of this. They sell themselves as the customer-privacy focused, environmentally conscious, smart and young company except that in reality it's exactly the opposite and they apply the most vile corporate tactics ever know to man. Hell, they even invented some.

by jjcon 3y ago

eitland 3y ago

Nope. Google. They are on their way to corner the browser market. They've already killed Operas Presto and about every other engine except research engines and Firefox. Chrome and the way they pushed it with ads on the front page of Google [1]. The way Calendar and YouTube again and again has issues with Firefox. Or how some things just doesn't work in anything except Chrome - but hey, if you change how the browser identifies itself, suddenly other browsers work too. [1]: no one else, even disaster relief I thinkhas been allowed a spot there. The market value of weeks in that spot must be billions.

theonlybutlet 3y ago
The get out jail free card is that the engine is open source chromium, not actually held by Google. Others are free to use it.
- skinkestek 3y ago
  Seeing that they already nerfed ad blocking possibilities in Chromium before completely killing Firefox, what do you think they will do once it is completely gone? Those who use Chromium - either end users or browser creators who build on Chromium - are dependent on the whims of Google.
  - AlchemistCamp 3y ago
    On this timeline, “completely killing Firefox” never happened. I used Chrome for a few years, but FF has been my primary browser since 2014.
  - LegitShady 3y ago
    Firefox zombie here, never noticed it dying. Firefoxs problems are generally things Mozilla does to itself.
anonymousDan 3y ago
I use Brave and I think it is great fwiw.

tonyedgecombe 3y ago

>Apple is the worst of the bunch imo. Not if you look at their respective market share.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Apple owns the majority mobile US market share. It's basically a monopoly.
- esarbe 3y ago
  It's part of an oligopoly. Let's treat oligopolies the same as monopolies, because they behave almost the same.
- freilanzer 3y ago
  57% ios vs 42% android.
- ralfn 3y ago
  But that's not the case in the EU. They are more likely to come after Google. And the US government has issues coming after monopolies that are US based and bring a lot of money in (for obvious reasons). If the US starts regulating these companies more it would harm the US GDP. At least in the short term. There is an argument to be had that it could make the markets more competitive in the long term but without a lot of credible threats from outside of the US why take the hit and the risk?
- scarface_74 3y ago
  65% is not a monopoly. In fact, we have a real judge that dismissed that argument in the Epic vs Apple case

seydor 3y ago

Apple's share in the EU is actually small, so it's up to the US to break their monopoly .

thefz 3y ago

> Apple is the worst of the bunch imo. What really irritates me is that they are the worst in most cases yet they PR themselves out of this. They sell themselves as the customer-privacy focused, environmentally conscious, smart and young company except that in reality it's exactly the opposite and they apply the most vile corporate tactics ever know to man. Hell, they even invented some.