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I also use both extensively and I agree, Telegram has the best UX of any messaging app. The desktop app is QT I think so it feels very snappy compared to Signal

by jamil7 3y ago

I also use both extensively and I agree, Telegram has the best UX of any messaging app. The desktop app is QT I think so it feels very snappy compared to Signal's electron app. Signal's iOS app is a native Swift/UIKit app and open source however, so I'd encourage you to report any bugs or issues you find: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-iOS https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-iOS

darthrupert 3y ago
It is a very good client indeed, and Signal is not really catching up. Perhaps Matrix's upcoming Element X -client could reach that level of quality.
- kaba0 3y ago
  Thanks for mentioning Element X. I do like the Matrix protocol, but their former ios app was very buggy.
  - Arathorn 3y ago
    Element X is already out on iOS (as an early release which isn't feature complete yet): https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-element/ https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-e.... We explicitly used Telegram as the UX yardstick to be at least as good at in terms of quality and performance (sync speed, smoothness of scrolling, proper native UI, etc)... while also being E2EE throughout (unlike Telegram). Agreed that the classic Element iOS app was very buggy, which is why with Element X we completely rewrote it on top of matrix-rust-sdk, using SwiftUI for best-practice idiomatic native UI on top.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      Thank you, I have already downloaded it! So far it looks like you have absolutely managed to hit that yardstick!
    - darthrupert 3y ago
      Unfortunately the server I use doesn't support sliding sync yet. edit Also, how far is Element X? I just tried it out with a matrix.org account, and it still makes the pretty bad UX blunder of confusing private one-on-one chats with rooms. I don't doubt that they're rooms technically, but you really need to hide that fact from the user if you wish to reach Telegram's usability.
      - Arathorn 3y ago
        EX is about 2 weeks old. It doesn’t yet have filters to split DMs from rooms, but it will.
        Arathorn 3y ago
        plus unless I’m missing something, telegram doesn’t seem to distinguish DMs from group chats in the room list either?
        darthrupert 3y ago
        Not graphically, but they don't call these things "rooms" nor "channels" anywhere. I feel that's just confusing for most people and unnecessary for those who would understand it. Perhaps I should make an issue out of this concern, but I'm a bit afraid that it won't matter: you guys would have done this by now if you thought about it like I do.
        Arathorn 3y ago
        No, I totally agree that DMs should be called DMs in the UI, and Rooms should be called Rooms. Unfortunately, there's just a plain old blindspot here - i'll keep pointing out and we'll get it fixed.

by jamil7 3y ago

darthrupert 3y ago

It is a very good client indeed, and Signal is not really catching up. Perhaps Matrix's upcoming Element X -client could reach that level of quality.

kaba0 3y ago
Thanks for mentioning Element X. I do like the Matrix protocol, but their former ios app was very buggy.
- Arathorn 3y ago
  Element X is already out on iOS (as an early release which isn't feature complete yet): https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-element/ https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-e.... We explicitly used Telegram as the UX yardstick to be at least as good at in terms of quality and performance (sync speed, smoothness of scrolling, proper native UI, etc)... while also being E2EE throughout (unlike Telegram). Agreed that the classic Element iOS app was very buggy, which is why with Element X we completely rewrote it on top of matrix-rust-sdk, using SwiftUI for best-practice idiomatic native UI on top.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    Thank you, I have already downloaded it! So far it looks like you have absolutely managed to hit that yardstick!
  - darthrupert 3y ago
    Unfortunately the server I use doesn't support sliding sync yet. edit Also, how far is Element X? I just tried it out with a matrix.org account, and it still makes the pretty bad UX blunder of confusing private one-on-one chats with rooms. I don't doubt that they're rooms technically, but you really need to hide that fact from the user if you wish to reach Telegram's usability.
    - Arathorn 3y ago
      EX is about 2 weeks old. It doesn’t yet have filters to split DMs from rooms, but it will.
      - Arathorn 3y ago
        plus unless I’m missing something, telegram doesn’t seem to distinguish DMs from group chats in the room list either?
        darthrupert 3y ago
        Not graphically, but they don't call these things "rooms" nor "channels" anywhere. I feel that's just confusing for most people and unnecessary for those who would understand it. Perhaps I should make an issue out of this concern, but I'm a bit afraid that it won't matter: you guys would have done this by now if you thought about it like I do.
        Arathorn 3y ago
        No, I totally agree that DMs should be called DMs in the UI, and Rooms should be called Rooms. Unfortunately, there's just a plain old blindspot here - i'll keep pointing out and we'll get it fixed.