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It is compromised by Russian connections though

by sethherr 3y ago

Thoeu388 3y ago
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- rcme 3y ago
  Some people are also idiots.
  - MengerSponge 3y ago
    I don't know about you, but my household buys Russian for its legendary quality
- pavlov 3y ago
  “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” is a fallacy that does seem to be driving increasing numbers of Americans to positions that are indistinguishable from Russian talking points. Saves money for Putin’s troll factory at least.
  - Thoeu388 3y ago
    Is there any other solid alternative? Gab? Or Twitter under Musk? Or some other federated network? What platform would you recommend to people in Turkey, Iran, Africa... Or opposition in West that sometimes can not even get bank accounts? It is a serious question! Russia is far away, it is not going to put you in jail. We need to communicate.
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- fortuna86 3y ago
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- kemotep 3y ago
  If you are tired of “various Russia Gates affairs” then being happy with a company having ties to the Russian government seems counterproductive.
DANmode 3y ago
...didn't the founder get ousted out of VK (which he also founded) for not playing ball with Russian intelligence? Or did I get that wrong?
- pndy 3y ago
  Durov brothers left Russia few years ago; Pavel seems to be moving around while Nikolai stays in Saint Kitts and Nevis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)#Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)#Developmen... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Telegram_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Telegram_in_Russia
- ushakov 3y ago
  I think they’re playing ball, otherwise Telegram would have been declared a “foreign agent” like any other free press
  - dgellow 3y ago
    That’s pure conspiracy thinking. Their service has been more or less blocked countrywide in Russia multiple times in the past, without too much success. Pavlov Durov has been publicly anti Putin since 2014 and exiled himself following euromaiden. Telegram has never been a Russian company, it was Berlin based, and is now in Dubai. All of this has been public information since years, there isn’t any proof of anything malevolent happening with the service.
- thewinnie 3y ago
  Mostly it was a spectacle for outsiders. Otherwise how its possible to explain that Durov continue to doing business and operate in Russia after? IMHO - it would not be possible for him to leave russia alive without getting some tradeoff with Russian intelligence
natded 3y ago
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stereoradonc 3y ago
Any proof?

It is compromised by Russian connections though

Thoeu388 3y ago

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rcme 3y ago
Some people are also idiots.
- MengerSponge 3y ago
  I don't know about you, but my household buys Russian for its legendary quality
pavlov 3y ago
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend” is a fallacy that does seem to be driving increasing numbers of Americans to positions that are indistinguishable from Russian talking points. Saves money for Putin’s troll factory at least.
- Thoeu388 3y ago
  Is there any other solid alternative? Gab? Or Twitter under Musk? Or some other federated network? What platform would you recommend to people in Turkey, Iran, Africa... Or opposition in West that sometimes can not even get bank accounts? It is a serious question! Russia is far away, it is not going to put you in jail. We need to communicate.
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fortuna86 3y ago
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kemotep 3y ago
If you are tired of “various Russia Gates affairs” then being happy with a company having ties to the Russian government seems counterproductive.

DANmode 3y ago

...didn't the founder get ousted out of VK (which he also founded) for not playing ball with Russian intelligence? Or did I get that wrong?

pndy 3y ago
Durov brothers left Russia few years ago; Pavel seems to be moving around while Nikolai stays in Saint Kitts and Nevis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)#Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)#Developmen... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Telegram_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Telegram_in_Russia
ushakov 3y ago
I think they’re playing ball, otherwise Telegram would have been declared a “foreign agent” like any other free press
- dgellow 3y ago
  That’s pure conspiracy thinking. Their service has been more or less blocked countrywide in Russia multiple times in the past, without too much success. Pavlov Durov has been publicly anti Putin since 2014 and exiled himself following euromaiden. Telegram has never been a Russian company, it was Berlin based, and is now in Dubai. All of this has been public information since years, there isn’t any proof of anything malevolent happening with the service.
thewinnie 3y ago
Mostly it was a spectacle for outsiders. Otherwise how its possible to explain that Durov continue to doing business and operate in Russia after? IMHO - it would not be possible for him to leave russia alive without getting some tradeoff with Russian intelligence

natded 3y ago

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stereoradonc 3y ago

Any proof?