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Likewise. If you find happiness being incredibly productive.. then that's fantastic and I wish you the best. I've never worked anywhere that productivity actual

Likewise. If you find happiness being incredibly productive.. then that's fantastic and I wish you the best. I've never worked anywhere that productivity actually mattered for anything. I work a place for a year or two and hop and get massive salary increases each time. If you get satisfaction and all that from doing as you do I'm happy for you and wish you the best.

DoesntMatter22 3y ago
Okay I guess it's a timing thing because now I can reply at this level. I've always job hopped as well. I've actually only been an employee once, I prefer contract work, and a lot of times I worked 30 hours a week for free! Just because I want to come in, kill it, I get offered even more money to stay. I've watched a lot of people though who refuse to spend any money out of pocket and aren't job hoppers, and also are resistant to do anything but the status quo. They lost out. I would understand the resistance but ultimately if we are talking about me giving up $1 an hour to be 20% more productive, even if you stayed at a job for a year or two you are going to in my experience get a good ROI on that. A good recent example is ChatGPT. I know some not so great programmers who I told "Hey this can really make a big difference for you as far as learning goes". Not saying to use the code, but just to ask it "How do I do X?". They are like "Nah, I don't care". Well that's fine but I think that's a loser mentality, and it has only worked because coders have been in such incredible demand you can be pretty bad and still earn 6 figures.
- deprecative 3y ago
  I can definitely appreciate that is your perspective. I have never worked anywhere that it was accurate nor have I ever worked with or known anyone that had the same experience you have. The average raise at these places is about 0%. At the high end it's maybe 4% or 5%. You know what the difference is between the 0 and the 5? Brown nosing your boss and HR. It's not getting more work done. Most developers don't make six figures, either. Most make 40,000 to 65,000, if that. If an employer wants me to do extra work they have to pay me to do that work. As a salaried exempt employee they cannot do that. They don't get extra work.
  - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
    > Most developers don't make six figures, either. Most make 40,000 to 65,000, if that. What do you live that they make such little money? The median developer income is 120k https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/software-developer/salary https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/software-develope... I don't know anyone making under 100k unless they are brand new. I also don't know any places that give 0% raises. I have known multiple people under 20 who are no geniuses who are earning close to 6 figures as developers. This is literally the best STEM job and it pays a ton. If you are making peanuts if you are making 65k and either need to move on, or possibly your bad attitude has kept you at a company that doesn't pay much.
    - deprecative 3y ago
      What I make is irrelevant. I do not care for your victim blaming, either. I see that we cannot continue this conversation in good faith. You take care.
      - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
        You right we cannot. Because you have lied.
        deprecative 3y ago
        Whatever makes you feel better, bud.

DoesntMatter22 3y ago

Okay I guess it's a timing thing because now I can reply at this level. I've always job hopped as well. I've actually only been an employee once, I prefer contract work, and a lot of times I worked 30 hours a week for free! Just because I want to come in, kill it, I get offered even more money to stay. I've watched a lot of people though who refuse to spend any money out of pocket and aren't job hoppers, and also are resistant to do anything but the status quo. They lost out. I would understand the resistance but ultimately if we are talking about me giving up $1 an hour to be 20% more productive, even if you stayed at a job for a year or two you are going to in my experience get a good ROI on that. A good recent example is ChatGPT. I know some not so great programmers who I told "Hey this can really make a big difference for you as far as learning goes". Not saying to use the code, but just to ask it "How do I do X?". They are like "Nah, I don't care". Well that's fine but I think that's a loser mentality, and it has only worked because coders have been in such incredible demand you can be pretty bad and still earn 6 figures.

deprecative 3y ago
I can definitely appreciate that is your perspective. I have never worked anywhere that it was accurate nor have I ever worked with or known anyone that had the same experience you have. The average raise at these places is about 0%. At the high end it's maybe 4% or 5%. You know what the difference is between the 0 and the 5? Brown nosing your boss and HR. It's not getting more work done. Most developers don't make six figures, either. Most make 40,000 to 65,000, if that. If an employer wants me to do extra work they have to pay me to do that work. As a salaried exempt employee they cannot do that. They don't get extra work.
- DoesntMatter22 3y ago
  > Most developers don't make six figures, either. Most make 40,000 to 65,000, if that. What do you live that they make such little money? The median developer income is 120k https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/software-developer/salary https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/software-develope... I don't know anyone making under 100k unless they are brand new. I also don't know any places that give 0% raises. I have known multiple people under 20 who are no geniuses who are earning close to 6 figures as developers. This is literally the best STEM job and it pays a ton. If you are making peanuts if you are making 65k and either need to move on, or possibly your bad attitude has kept you at a company that doesn't pay much.
  - deprecative 3y ago
    What I make is irrelevant. I do not care for your victim blaming, either. I see that we cannot continue this conversation in good faith. You take care.
    - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
      You right we cannot. Because you have lied.
      - deprecative 3y ago
        Whatever makes you feel better, bud.