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Having to spend $200 per 8GB of RAM and $200 per 256GB of storage like it's still 2012 pretty much destroys any value proposition from Apple.

by kcb 3y ago

adastra22 3y ago
You can put a 4tb drive on a USB port.
- tjoff 3y ago
  Such hacks just to get trapped in apples ecosystem? How can that be appealing?
  - criddell 3y ago
    How are you trapped in the ecosystem? A Mac Mini can run more software than any of their competitors (you can’t install macOS on a VM on a Windows or Linux host but the reverse is possible). Even on the hardware side you are free to connect third party drives, monitors, keyboards, etc…
    - BenjiWiebe 3y ago
      You can actually install Mac os in a VM on Linux or Windows. It's not a technical issue, it's that Apple tries to make it hard to do so.
      - criddell 3y ago
        Yeah, it’s a legal issue. My point mostly was that if you buy a Mac Mini, you aren’t really trapped.
        tjoff 3y ago
        The kind of mental gymnastics people go through...
        criddell 3y ago
        Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by ecosystem and trapped. Care to elaborate?
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  *That's much slower and higher latency than the internal storage. And where do you plug in the extra RAM?
  - Kon-Peki 3y ago
    This thread is talking about HTPC, and I'm wondering what the use case is where you need lots of RAM and the speed/latency of an internal NVMe drive. My HTPC is about 12 years old, and I'm pretty sure that the internal SATA SSDs are slower than a modern external USB3.1 drive. Yet it does everything I ask of it with no noticeable delay.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >This thread is talking about HTPC No, the thread is not mentioning HTPCS but about NUCs, which can also be used to do productivity work/games, not just watching movies, so exqueeze me that I want/need a system with 16GB of RAM and some decent storage in mid-2023 to be productive and am not contempt with the bare minimums of 8GB/256 and being price gouged for any drop over that.
      - Kon-Peki 3y ago
        You are exqueezed. While the overall topic is about NUCs, this particular thread of conversation appeared, to me, to be about HTPCs. Nevertheless, the existence in the marketplace of computers with underwhelming specification does not in any way diminish your techno-self-worth or invalidate your needs and desires.
  - fadedsignal 3y ago
    Not if you use Thunderbolt 4 SSD (enclosure)
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      Yes, spend $600 on an base iMac Mini then spend $800 on an TB SSD with $200 worth of NVME inside it because ... logic ??? Meanwhile a 12th-Gen NUC with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD costs ~$240 on Amazon, and you can replace the internal RAM and SSD with whatever size and models you want.

Having to spend $200 per 8GB of RAM and $200 per 256GB of storage like it's still 2012 pretty much destroys any value proposition from Apple.

by kcb 3y ago

Having to spend $200 per 8GB of RAM and $200 per 256GB of storage like it's still 2012 pretty much destroys any value proposition from Apple.

adastra22 3y ago

You can put a 4tb drive on a USB port.

tjoff 3y ago
Such hacks just to get trapped in apples ecosystem? How can that be appealing?
- criddell 3y ago
  How are you trapped in the ecosystem? A Mac Mini can run more software than any of their competitors (you can’t install macOS on a VM on a Windows or Linux host but the reverse is possible). Even on the hardware side you are free to connect third party drives, monitors, keyboards, etc…
  - BenjiWiebe 3y ago
    You can actually install Mac os in a VM on Linux or Windows. It's not a technical issue, it's that Apple tries to make it hard to do so.
    - criddell 3y ago
      Yeah, it’s a legal issue. My point mostly was that if you buy a Mac Mini, you aren’t really trapped.
      - tjoff 3y ago
        The kind of mental gymnastics people go through...
        criddell 3y ago
        Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by ecosystem and trapped. Care to elaborate?
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
*That's much slower and higher latency than the internal storage. And where do you plug in the extra RAM?
- Kon-Peki 3y ago
  This thread is talking about HTPC, and I'm wondering what the use case is where you need lots of RAM and the speed/latency of an internal NVMe drive. My HTPC is about 12 years old, and I'm pretty sure that the internal SATA SSDs are slower than a modern external USB3.1 drive. Yet it does everything I ask of it with no noticeable delay.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >This thread is talking about HTPC No, the thread is not mentioning HTPCS but about NUCs, which can also be used to do productivity work/games, not just watching movies, so exqueeze me that I want/need a system with 16GB of RAM and some decent storage in mid-2023 to be productive and am not contempt with the bare minimums of 8GB/256 and being price gouged for any drop over that.
    - Kon-Peki 3y ago
      You are exqueezed. While the overall topic is about NUCs, this particular thread of conversation appeared, to me, to be about HTPCs. Nevertheless, the existence in the marketplace of computers with underwhelming specification does not in any way diminish your techno-self-worth or invalidate your needs and desires.
- fadedsignal 3y ago
  Not if you use Thunderbolt 4 SSD (enclosure)
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Yes, spend $600 on an base iMac Mini then spend $800 on an TB SSD with $200 worth of NVME inside it because ... logic ??? Meanwhile a 12th-Gen NUC with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD costs ~$240 on Amazon, and you can replace the internal RAM and SSD with whatever size and models you want.