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Most of the attempts that I had were flagged as spam so I didn’t notice. The one that almost caught me was a simple email allegedly from the CEO asking if I ha

by dhosek 3y ago

Most of the attempts that I had were flagged as spam so I didn’t notice. The one that almost caught me was a simple email allegedly from the CEO asking if I had a minute. I was working at a small enough company that it wouldn’t be out of the question for the CEO to email me and I replied, sure. The next email was, fortunately, a clumsy attempt at fraud, asking me to buy some Xbox gift cards for a client, which made me look a little closer and notice that the email address hidden by the email client behind the CEO’s name was at a Russian ISP, so I dumped them into spam and posted a warning on Slack. Something less clumsily targeted might have caught someone (e.g., to do a test booking on our site, or open some tech window). That said, LinkedIn is useful enough to me that I’m willing to leave that window open, although it would be nice if company email addresses were less easily guessed.

Larrikin 3y ago
So the simplest most common email scam for anyone with a work email. It's not sophisticated or targeted, if anything you do matters to anyone you will get an email like that. It's really on you for not checking the email instead of replying to basically a horny single in your area that could maybe give you a promotion.
- Symbiote 3y ago
  Until recently, Microsoft Outlook idiotically hid the sender's email address when reading a message, showing only the display name. As it's the part that can be authenticated (DKIM etc) a stronger word than "idiotically" is also appropriate.
  - BrandoElFollito 3y ago
    DKIM etc cannot authenticate the email address. It can authenticate the sender domain (which is the main win anyway). Only signed emails can be authenticated against the sender.
    - rcxdude 3y ago
      true, but even the domain is a really obvious signal for most of these attacks, considering most companies use their own domain for emails and it's fairly difficult to fake an email coming from that domain. So something coming from <ceo><random string of digits>@gmail.com should raise alarm bells for both automated systems and users (assuming the users can actually see it, which they now can on outlook)
      - BrandoElFollito 3y ago
        Yes of course - this is why I mentioned that authenticating the domain is the main win. Now - setting up SPF, DMARC, ... is technically easy but not so much organizationally. This is a real pain in the ass to find what various organizations used in the past in their outsourced communication (marketing, pay system, travel, ...). The advantage that Outlook had (and has) is that it will resolve the user information from Active Directory. Receiving an email in Microsoft from "Bill Gates <helloworld@kjshkjsdhfkj.com>" will yield a very unusual visual (not the right firstname/lastname sequence, no picture, ...).
  - pierat 3y ago
    During a phishing test at an old company, I was able to: 1. buy a cheap VPS ($5) 2. Buy a domain name with homoglyph unicode similar to the company's name 3. get a full stack of ssl from letsencrypt for the attack domain 4. set up postfix to use this domain with SPF/DKIM/DMARC I then sent emails as the "CEO" and got by every spam and anti-impersonation filter. Outlook showed my emails as 100% legit in all ways. The ONLY way to tell was to go to email->properties->headers and KNOW and check the IP addresses of the servers. Homoglyphs in Outlook desktop app are not shown as punycode. However the users who used OWA saw the punycode expansion of the domain and rightly reported them.
    - Symbiote 3y ago
      I thought that had been fixed, by ordering the registrars not to allow problem domains (e.g. domain must be entirely in Cyrillic+Numbers or not at all), though Wikipedia says this isn't yet the case for .com. I'm not sure if that's up-to-date though. Pretending I work for asdf.com, I could register аsdf.com (Cyrillic а) and maybe αsdf.com (Greek α) as a precaution. But "xn--sdf-5cd.com" and "xn--sdf-nxc.com" both show as unavailable for registration. Something like asclf.com (all ASCII) could be mistaken in some circumstances.
  - ryandrake 3y ago
    I've aways wondered what on earth possesses companies to make these idiotic decisions. Take some feature that obviously works well and make a very trivial change that makes it much worse? Who sits down and decides to do this? How do they ignore the chorus of actual smart people telling them "don't do this, the domain name is important!" What possible financial ROI could they have gotten out of making such a small but terrible change? I don't understand how the checks and balances at a big, mature company like Microsoft would let something like this pass.
willywanker 3y ago
The solution to such problems isn't just technical - if you see a mail from someone that sounds out of character like in your case, best is to contact them directly or via a fresh mail composed to their address to confirm what was sent. Other examples are receiving an attachment from a known person with just a one line 'check this out' or sometimes nothing. Social engineering attacks always trump technical hacking and tend to be more successful.

by dhosek 3y ago

Larrikin 3y ago

So the simplest most common email scam for anyone with a work email. It's not sophisticated or targeted, if anything you do matters to anyone you will get an email like that. It's really on you for not checking the email instead of replying to basically a horny single in your area that could maybe give you a promotion.

Symbiote 3y ago
Until recently, Microsoft Outlook idiotically hid the sender's email address when reading a message, showing only the display name. As it's the part that can be authenticated (DKIM etc) a stronger word than "idiotically" is also appropriate.
- BrandoElFollito 3y ago
  DKIM etc cannot authenticate the email address. It can authenticate the sender domain (which is the main win anyway). Only signed emails can be authenticated against the sender.
  - rcxdude 3y ago
    true, but even the domain is a really obvious signal for most of these attacks, considering most companies use their own domain for emails and it's fairly difficult to fake an email coming from that domain. So something coming from <ceo><random string of digits>@gmail.com should raise alarm bells for both automated systems and users (assuming the users can actually see it, which they now can on outlook)
    - BrandoElFollito 3y ago
      Yes of course - this is why I mentioned that authenticating the domain is the main win. Now - setting up SPF, DMARC, ... is technically easy but not so much organizationally. This is a real pain in the ass to find what various organizations used in the past in their outsourced communication (marketing, pay system, travel, ...). The advantage that Outlook had (and has) is that it will resolve the user information from Active Directory. Receiving an email in Microsoft from "Bill Gates <helloworld@kjshkjsdhfkj.com>" will yield a very unusual visual (not the right firstname/lastname sequence, no picture, ...).
- pierat 3y ago
  During a phishing test at an old company, I was able to: 1. buy a cheap VPS ($5) 2. Buy a domain name with homoglyph unicode similar to the company's name 3. get a full stack of ssl from letsencrypt for the attack domain 4. set up postfix to use this domain with SPF/DKIM/DMARC I then sent emails as the "CEO" and got by every spam and anti-impersonation filter. Outlook showed my emails as 100% legit in all ways. The ONLY way to tell was to go to email->properties->headers and KNOW and check the IP addresses of the servers. Homoglyphs in Outlook desktop app are not shown as punycode. However the users who used OWA saw the punycode expansion of the domain and rightly reported them.
  - Symbiote 3y ago
    I thought that had been fixed, by ordering the registrars not to allow problem domains (e.g. domain must be entirely in Cyrillic+Numbers or not at all), though Wikipedia says this isn't yet the case for .com. I'm not sure if that's up-to-date though. Pretending I work for asdf.com, I could register аsdf.com (Cyrillic а) and maybe αsdf.com (Greek α) as a precaution. But "xn--sdf-5cd.com" and "xn--sdf-nxc.com" both show as unavailable for registration. Something like asclf.com (all ASCII) could be mistaken in some circumstances.
- ryandrake 3y ago
  I've aways wondered what on earth possesses companies to make these idiotic decisions. Take some feature that obviously works well and make a very trivial change that makes it much worse? Who sits down and decides to do this? How do they ignore the chorus of actual smart people telling them "don't do this, the domain name is important!" What possible financial ROI could they have gotten out of making such a small but terrible change? I don't understand how the checks and balances at a big, mature company like Microsoft would let something like this pass.

willywanker 3y ago

The solution to such problems isn't just technical - if you see a mail from someone that sounds out of character like in your case, best is to contact them directly or via a fresh mail composed to their address to confirm what was sent. Other examples are receiving an attachment from a known person with just a one line 'check this out' or sometimes nothing. Social engineering attacks always trump technical hacking and tend to be more successful.