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Why would a developer care about saving 10 hours a week for their job such that they pay out of pocket for a tool? That's moronic. I don't get paid for producti

Why would a developer care about saving 10 hours a week for their job such that they pay out of pocket for a tool? That's moronic. I don't get paid for productivity. I get paid to meet deadlines with the tools available to me via my employer. If I compile* for 10 hours a week that's 10 hours I can do anything else. It's a free 10 hour a week break for me. *compile for the joke but I mean slowdown in activity at all.

DoesntMatter22 3y ago
Yeah this is the attitude I'm talking about. You go ahead and save 25 cents an hour. I'll get way more done, get stand out more, get promoted faster. In 10 hours I can probably close out 7 or maybe more small tickets. Those colleagues ended up stuck where they were and I ended up making 4x what they were. It's not just because the ID but becauae of mentality that you support. I don't want a 10 hour break I want to produce the most I can in the hours I have. That allowed me to make enough to retire at 33 with no stock grants.
- deprecative 3y ago
  Dude, I don't care about a promotion. I'll be job hopped in a year or two and making more than the promotion would have netted me and I'll be working 30 hour weeks in this example. We're not paid to be as productive as possible we're paid to deliver code on schedule. As long as I get my tickets taken care of for the sprint that's all I care about. Doing more tickets than necessary is just doing extra work for no benefit. Now, if my employer wants to pay for that tool or hardware or whatever? Sign me up. I'll use it all day.
DoesntMatter22 3y ago
You left another comment I can't reply to because I guess it's too nested. Well you do what you want. If you are the most productive person at the company you are the most valuable. I've had companies literally double my money to keep me when I was going to leave. But if you want to mail it in then feel free.
- deprecative 3y ago
  Likewise. If you find happiness being incredibly productive.. then that's fantastic and I wish you the best. I've never worked anywhere that productivity actually mattered for anything. I work a place for a year or two and hop and get massive salary increases each time. If you get satisfaction and all that from doing as you do I'm happy for you and wish you the best.
  - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
    Okay I guess it's a timing thing because now I can reply at this level. I've always job hopped as well. I've actually only been an employee once, I prefer contract work, and a lot of times I worked 30 hours a week for free! Just because I want to come in, kill it, I get offered even more money to stay. I've watched a lot of people though who refuse to spend any money out of pocket and aren't job hoppers, and also are resistant to do anything but the status quo. They lost out. I would understand the resistance but ultimately if we are talking about me giving up $1 an hour to be 20% more productive, even if you stayed at a job for a year or two you are going to in my experience get a good ROI on that. A good recent example is ChatGPT. I know some not so great programmers who I told "Hey this can really make a big difference for you as far as learning goes". Not saying to use the code, but just to ask it "How do I do X?". They are like "Nah, I don't care". Well that's fine but I think that's a loser mentality, and it has only worked because coders have been in such incredible demand you can be pretty bad and still earn 6 figures.
    - deprecative 3y ago
      I can definitely appreciate that is your perspective. I have never worked anywhere that it was accurate nor have I ever worked with or known anyone that had the same experience you have. The average raise at these places is about 0%. At the high end it's maybe 4% or 5%. You know what the difference is between the 0 and the 5? Brown nosing your boss and HR. It's not getting more work done. Most developers don't make six figures, either. Most make 40,000 to 65,000, if that. If an employer wants me to do extra work they have to pay me to do that work. As a salaried exempt employee they cannot do that. They don't get extra work.

DoesntMatter22 3y ago

Yeah this is the attitude I'm talking about. You go ahead and save 25 cents an hour. I'll get way more done, get stand out more, get promoted faster. In 10 hours I can probably close out 7 or maybe more small tickets. Those colleagues ended up stuck where they were and I ended up making 4x what they were. It's not just because the ID but becauae of mentality that you support. I don't want a 10 hour break I want to produce the most I can in the hours I have. That allowed me to make enough to retire at 33 with no stock grants.

deprecative 3y ago
Dude, I don't care about a promotion. I'll be job hopped in a year or two and making more than the promotion would have netted me and I'll be working 30 hour weeks in this example. We're not paid to be as productive as possible we're paid to deliver code on schedule. As long as I get my tickets taken care of for the sprint that's all I care about. Doing more tickets than necessary is just doing extra work for no benefit. Now, if my employer wants to pay for that tool or hardware or whatever? Sign me up. I'll use it all day.

DoesntMatter22 3y ago

You left another comment I can't reply to because I guess it's too nested. Well you do what you want. If you are the most productive person at the company you are the most valuable. I've had companies literally double my money to keep me when I was going to leave. But if you want to mail it in then feel free.

deprecative 3y ago
Likewise. If you find happiness being incredibly productive.. then that's fantastic and I wish you the best. I've never worked anywhere that productivity actually mattered for anything. I work a place for a year or two and hop and get massive salary increases each time. If you get satisfaction and all that from doing as you do I'm happy for you and wish you the best.
- DoesntMatter22 3y ago
  Okay I guess it's a timing thing because now I can reply at this level. I've always job hopped as well. I've actually only been an employee once, I prefer contract work, and a lot of times I worked 30 hours a week for free! Just because I want to come in, kill it, I get offered even more money to stay. I've watched a lot of people though who refuse to spend any money out of pocket and aren't job hoppers, and also are resistant to do anything but the status quo. They lost out. I would understand the resistance but ultimately if we are talking about me giving up $1 an hour to be 20% more productive, even if you stayed at a job for a year or two you are going to in my experience get a good ROI on that. A good recent example is ChatGPT. I know some not so great programmers who I told "Hey this can really make a big difference for you as far as learning goes". Not saying to use the code, but just to ask it "How do I do X?". They are like "Nah, I don't care". Well that's fine but I think that's a loser mentality, and it has only worked because coders have been in such incredible demand you can be pretty bad and still earn 6 figures.
  - deprecative 3y ago
    I can definitely appreciate that is your perspective. I have never worked anywhere that it was accurate nor have I ever worked with or known anyone that had the same experience you have. The average raise at these places is about 0%. At the high end it's maybe 4% or 5%. You know what the difference is between the 0 and the 5? Brown nosing your boss and HR. It's not getting more work done. Most developers don't make six figures, either. Most make 40,000 to 65,000, if that. If an employer wants me to do extra work they have to pay me to do that work. As a salaried exempt employee they cannot do that. They don't get extra work.