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People were rightfully critical of V for over promising and under delivering as well as misrepresenting the capabilities of the language. Val has promised a lo

People were rightfully critical of V for over promising and under delivering as well as misrepresenting the capabilities of the language. Val has promised a lot and hasn't delivered anything, so I think it's fine to be interested/ excited but have a heavy dose of scepticism as well.

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- 1732050 3y ago
  The Vlang creator's initial misrepresentation of the language and their very problematic and hostile handling of any questions regarding the design of their language means, for me, I will never use it and don't consider it a serious language.
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pepa65 3y ago
It seems V is now delivering quite well.
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      > the creator of V had a clear and obvious pattern of overpromising and overhyping things early on can you please list any examples here?
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      > You're a known troll spamming Can you accept even one criticism? Everyone who dares to say anything negative is a troll in your book.
      - amedvednikov 3y ago
        You were told this by the mods of the website. By the way, the array hack was fixed, thanks for reporting. If you find similar bugs, don't hesitate to report them.
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  Not only did detractors flag away my previous response that agreed with your point about how V delivers, but based on their MO (preoccupation with 2019, same catch phrases, and constantly spamming the same certain sites), it's likely the same group and their dedicated accounts for such purposes. They are trying very hard to push a negative narrative and eliminate the public viewing of any counter or supportive arguments.
amedvednikov 3y ago
Can you please list here examples of under delivering and misrepresenting?
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        This is not the main site (vlang.io). Such claim was never made there. The OP mentioned that it "was on the list of 'features' for a long time". The HN comment you referenced is from 2019. I was very anti-GC back then, that's why I didn't want to have a GC, but a model similar to Rust. After playing with GC, I realized it worked really well with V, and offered a better performance. There's an article about these decisions on V's blog. They can change over years, you know. If a project leader changes their mind on a technical decision over years and explains the reasons, that doesn't make them a liar. The end goal is having good performance, flexible memory management, minimal resource usage.
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- mbStavola 3y ago
  As you're well aware, there were a series of articles written about this[0][1] which were popular on HN a few years back. This is well documented, reproducible, and done in good faith. Now, I just want to make it clear that my exact wording here was "people were rightfully critical of V" and not "people are rightfully critical of V" (emphasis added). My intent is not to malign the current state of V, because 1) I do not keep up with the language and 2) it isn't relevant to the point being made. The parent comment was drawing a comparison between "other languages" (which, by now, it's apparent that they're speaking primarily about V) and Val when it comes to HN's reaction. If we're going to compare, it only makes sense to compare them at similar stages of development / release. So, in this case we're talking about early release V and what was promised versus delivered. It does not matter what is being done in service of users now because the criticism I'm referring to isn't from now, but when the initial HN impressions of V were formed. [0]: https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 [1]: https://xeiaso.net/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17 https://xeiaso.net/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17

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The Vlang creator's initial misrepresentation of the language and their very problematic and hostile handling of any questions regarding the design of their language means, for me, I will never use it and don't consider it a serious language.
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pepa65 3y ago

It seems V is now delivering quite well.

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    > the creator of V had a clear and obvious pattern of overpromising and overhyping things early on can you please list any examples here?
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    > You're a known troll spamming Can you accept even one criticism? Everyone who dares to say anything negative is a troll in your book.
    - amedvednikov 3y ago
      You were told this by the mods of the website. By the way, the array hack was fixed, thanks for reporting. If you find similar bugs, don't hesitate to report them.
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Not only did detractors flag away my previous response that agreed with your point about how V delivers, but based on their MO (preoccupation with 2019, same catch phrases, and constantly spamming the same certain sites), it's likely the same group and their dedicated accounts for such purposes. They are trying very hard to push a negative narrative and eliminate the public viewing of any counter or supportive arguments.

amedvednikov 3y ago

Can you please list here examples of under delivering and misrepresenting?

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      This is not the main site (vlang.io). Such claim was never made there. The OP mentioned that it "was on the list of 'features' for a long time". The HN comment you referenced is from 2019. I was very anti-GC back then, that's why I didn't want to have a GC, but a model similar to Rust. After playing with GC, I realized it worked really well with V, and offered a better performance. There's an article about these decisions on V's blog. They can change over years, you know. If a project leader changes their mind on a technical decision over years and explains the reasons, that doesn't make them a liar. The end goal is having good performance, flexible memory management, minimal resource usage.
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mbStavola 3y ago
As you're well aware, there were a series of articles written about this[0][1] which were popular on HN a few years back. This is well documented, reproducible, and done in good faith. Now, I just want to make it clear that my exact wording here was "people were rightfully critical of V" and not "people are rightfully critical of V" (emphasis added). My intent is not to malign the current state of V, because 1) I do not keep up with the language and 2) it isn't relevant to the point being made. The parent comment was drawing a comparison between "other languages" (which, by now, it's apparent that they're speaking primarily about V) and Val when it comes to HN's reaction. If we're going to compare, it only makes sense to compare them at similar stages of development / release. So, in this case we're talking about early release V and what was promised versus delivered. It does not matter what is being done in service of users now because the criticism I'm referring to isn't from now, but when the initial HN impressions of V were formed. [0]: https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 [1]: https://xeiaso.net/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17 https://xeiaso.net/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17