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I'm just gonna start investing in water stocks at this point.

thehappypm 3y ago
I doubt it. They still are plagued by horrible winter conditions. Chicago gets below 0F every year, Buffalo gets bombed with snow.
swamp40 3y ago
> The winters get shorter every year. Chicago was 6 months of winter this last year. Hate to see how it used to be.
dvh 3y ago
Wait till your great lakes turn into toxic green sludge
- organsnyder 3y ago
  Been there, done that.
candiddevmike 3y ago
On the one hand, it's nice and quiet here without all the west coast folks, on the other, maybe more liberal folks moving to Wisconsin would turn it blue again.
- germinalphrase 3y ago
  Wisconsin is already blue. Redistricting was removed from a panel of (nominally) nonpartisan former judges and given to the legislature. The subsequent maps drawn by the legislature were the most effectively gerrymandered maps in the country (at the time) and set a strategic precedent for partisan gerrymandering across the country. Edit: for context, this redistricting happened in 2011 Edit 2: I will happily walk back my first sentence to “purple”; however, the impact of partisan redistricting has been made repeatedly clear as Republicans in the state legislature significantly over perform in capturing seats vs statewide voter count. I will also add that I believe the problem here is partisan gerrymandering, not specifically that Republicans over-perform. Partisan gerrymandering is explicitly anti-democratic whether it is taking place in Wisconsin or New York.
  - candiddevmike 3y ago
    Ron Johnson was reelected as a senator without gerrymandering though.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > Wisconsin is already blue. Not sure how you can say that. Trump won Wisconsin in 2016, and Biden just barely won Wisconsin in 2020. Democratic Governor Tony Evers squeaked out a 1% victory in 2018 over Scott Walker. His reelection margin last year was a little higher at 3%, but Republican Senator Ron Johnson also won reelection last year by 1%. These were all statewide races, where redistricting was irrelevant. It's a quintessential swing state.
lapcat 3y ago
Not sure where you live, but we've had air quality alerts most days this summer from Canadian wildfire smoke. Not very pleasant.
Gordonjcp 3y ago
What was the climate you grew up with, and how long ago?
organsnyder 3y ago
We had a fairly mild winter here in Michigan. My snowplow provider definitely came out ahead this year. Though the way climate change leads to extremes means it's unlikely we'll just have our same climate a few degrees warmer. I think we're especially well-suited because of our water resources—the Great Lakes are an extremely valuable asset. We just emerged from the worst drought in 90 years, but we didn't even have lawn irrigation restrictions put in place. And here in West Michigan, the lake also mitigates a lot of severe weather (the number of bad storms in Chicago that are mere whimpers by the time they reach us...).
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  Yeah, until Wolverine or whoever fills all of Lake Michigan with PFAS 2.0. Industry in the state is still far too unregulated and wildly irresponsible.

I doubt it. They still are plagued by horrible winter conditions. Chicago gets below 0F every year, Buffalo gets bombed with snow.

swamp40 3y ago

> The winters get shorter every year. Chicago was 6 months of winter this last year. Hate to see how it used to be.

dvh 3y ago

Wait till your great lakes turn into toxic green sludge

organsnyder 3y ago
Been there, done that.

candiddevmike 3y ago

On the one hand, it's nice and quiet here without all the west coast folks, on the other, maybe more liberal folks moving to Wisconsin would turn it blue again.

germinalphrase 3y ago
Wisconsin is already blue. Redistricting was removed from a panel of (nominally) nonpartisan former judges and given to the legislature. The subsequent maps drawn by the legislature were the most effectively gerrymandered maps in the country (at the time) and set a strategic precedent for partisan gerrymandering across the country. Edit: for context, this redistricting happened in 2011 Edit 2: I will happily walk back my first sentence to “purple”; however, the impact of partisan redistricting has been made repeatedly clear as Republicans in the state legislature significantly over perform in capturing seats vs statewide voter count. I will also add that I believe the problem here is partisan gerrymandering, not specifically that Republicans over-perform. Partisan gerrymandering is explicitly anti-democratic whether it is taking place in Wisconsin or New York.
- candiddevmike 3y ago
  Ron Johnson was reelected as a senator without gerrymandering though.
- lapcat 3y ago
  > Wisconsin is already blue. Not sure how you can say that. Trump won Wisconsin in 2016, and Biden just barely won Wisconsin in 2020. Democratic Governor Tony Evers squeaked out a 1% victory in 2018 over Scott Walker. His reelection margin last year was a little higher at 3%, but Republican Senator Ron Johnson also won reelection last year by 1%. These were all statewide races, where redistricting was irrelevant. It's a quintessential swing state.

lapcat 3y ago

Not sure where you live, but we've had air quality alerts most days this summer from Canadian wildfire smoke. Not very pleasant.

Gordonjcp 3y ago

What was the climate you grew up with, and how long ago?

organsnyder 3y ago

We had a fairly mild winter here in Michigan. My snowplow provider definitely came out ahead this year. Though the way climate change leads to extremes means it's unlikely we'll just have our same climate a few degrees warmer. I think we're especially well-suited because of our water resources—the Great Lakes are an extremely valuable asset. We just emerged from the worst drought in 90 years, but we didn't even have lawn irrigation restrictions put in place. And here in West Michigan, the lake also mitigates a lot of severe weather (the number of bad storms in Chicago that are mere whimpers by the time they reach us...).

bugglebeetle 3y ago
Yeah, until Wolverine or whoever fills all of Lake Michigan with PFAS 2.0. Industry in the state is still far too unregulated and wildly irresponsible.