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Ah, fair. I am definitely playing loose in that area. For specifics in my circle, I really only have my immediate family and some coworkers as direct evidence

by taeric 3y ago

Ah, fair. I am definitely playing loose in that area. For specifics in my circle, I really only have my immediate family and some coworkers as direct evidence. Among those, I don't know anyone that got symptomatic anything if they were vaccinated. We had plenty of colds, but only tested positive during a time when that wasn't going through the family. (We only tested due to kid's having contacts that got covid.) So, to that end, only vaccinated person in the family that ever had symptoms was me. And, as I said, it was super quick. Such that I can't say for sure the kids didn't have symptoms overnight that we just didn't see. Pulling it back to "most cases overall were not severe," is tough, though. If that is somehow indicative that the vaccines didn't help me, that would also imply that they didn't help the population at large. And the data just doesn't agree with that. Is that where you are asking? Or did I avoid the question?

ifyoubuildit 3y ago
I'm just trying to make the point that the vaccines helped at a population level (going from .06% to .0006% or whatever IFR is real numbers when you're talking about the whole world), but I think people overestimate the impact it had on them individually. And it's easy to see why they would! Given the environment at the time (daily press conferences, scary news articles, demonization of the unvaccinated, mandates) I think it's easy to believe that the vaccine saved you from a death sentence if you get vaccinated and then have an easy case. It's easy to not notice that in a room of 1667 infected unvaccinated 30 year olds (I don't know how old you are, just using that as an example), maybe over a thousand of them would have had a similar case that you did, and only one of them would have died.
- taeric 3y ago
  On that, I think I'm in violent agreement with you. In particular, I actually was annoyed with how much stress folks put pre-teens through regarding vaccination. I had friends that were terrified of doing anything with their toddlers before they got vaccinated, despite the odds still being higher for the parents with a vaccine than the kids without. It was truly baffling. For my part, I suspect it helped me. Childhood asthma and general obesity being what they are. I was almost certainly in elevated risks for my age group. To your point, my age group was still moderate risks, all told.

by taeric 3y ago

ifyoubuildit 3y ago

I'm just trying to make the point that the vaccines helped at a population level (going from .06% to .0006% or whatever IFR is real numbers when you're talking about the whole world), but I think people overestimate the impact it had on them individually. And it's easy to see why they would! Given the environment at the time (daily press conferences, scary news articles, demonization of the unvaccinated, mandates) I think it's easy to believe that the vaccine saved you from a death sentence if you get vaccinated and then have an easy case. It's easy to not notice that in a room of 1667 infected unvaccinated 30 year olds (I don't know how old you are, just using that as an example), maybe over a thousand of them would have had a similar case that you did, and only one of them would have died.

taeric 3y ago
On that, I think I'm in violent agreement with you. In particular, I actually was annoyed with how much stress folks put pre-teens through regarding vaccination. I had friends that were terrified of doing anything with their toddlers before they got vaccinated, despite the odds still being higher for the parents with a vaccine than the kids without. It was truly baffling. For my part, I suspect it helped me. Childhood asthma and general obesity being what they are. I was almost certainly in elevated risks for my age group. To your point, my age group was still moderate risks, all told.