> Folks don't like comparing to the flu, but in this there are obvious similarities. With obviously similar outcomes on the ability of a vaccine to give sterili

> Folks don't like comparing to the flu, but in this there are obvious similarities. With obviously similar outcomes on the ability of a vaccine to give sterilizing immunity. And there's quite a controversy whether the flu vaccine is worthwhile becuase of that. The Cochrane systematic reviews are quite scathing. > Much to your chagrin, though, I actually can say that among my contacts, getting the vaccine basically led to people not getting symptomatic covid. Folks got what they thought of as a bad cold. Almost flu like, but I know very few, if any, folks that were so bad off that they were symptomatic covid. That's the definition of symptomatic Covid - a positive Covid test + flu-like symptoms (regardless of severity). That is what the trial measured and reported. (This is in contrast to Asymptomatic Covid which is a positive Covid test but without any symptoms at all) > Most wouldn't have even qualified as having a bad flu. (It is frustrating how many folks underestimate how hard the flu hits.) No one I know experience anything close to a bad flu. > Contrast with family members that did not get the vaccine in time, and were hospitalized. It was truly different. Around me it was a mild cold to medium flu regardless of vaccination, including people in their 80s and 90s, with all the pre-existing conditions you can imagine. The only exception was a vaccinated friend (late 40s) who got scary chest pains for several days when he contacted Covid. No treatment beyond Paracetamol and Ibuprofen.