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This just is a total misunderstanding of what's being proposed, and a hamfisted excuse to dress up reactionary stupidity as a defense of "Math". The changes are

This just is a total misunderstanding of what's being proposed, and a hamfisted excuse to dress up reactionary stupidity as a defense of "Math". The changes aren't "refusing to teach kids math", they are a better approach to math. Modern approaches emphasize number sense (aka actual understanding) over formulas. Algebra has historically been a kind of gatekeeping in middle school between kids who plug in the formulas vs the kids who "arent good at math". Neither of these outcomes are positive for learning. In general we need deeper foundational knowledge beyond memorization of notation. True math understanding enables students to independently discover common formulas rather than deploy them from rote. Noahpinion doesn't begin to speak to this, and is in fact a moron.

bigbacaloa 3y ago
It's moronic. Source: I'm a university math professor with a hell of a lot more experience teaching math well than you have.
- tru1ock 3y ago
  Don't breathe the air, said the fish to the bird.
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> changes aren't "refusing to teach kids math", they are a better approach to math Every mathematician disagrees. The Stanford professor pushing this policy has no math education. (She does have consulting gigs with school districts where they trade a teacher's annual salary for a few hours of Zoom calls [1].) I grew up in Cupertino and am flying back to the Bay Area. Every friend who is a parent is planning on circumventing this policy by enrolling their kids in more tutoring. California is dumbing down its poor to sate a private education and education-consulting industry. [1] https://google.com/search?hl=en&q=jo%20boaler%20consulting https://google.com/search?hl=en&q=jo%20boaler%20consulting
- eitally 3y ago
  Every mathematician disagrees because their focus isn't learning or teaching children foundational number sense and math concepts that will help them lead successful lives. You guys are talking past each other, and the guidelines in question are aimed at the kids in primary math education, not academic and applied math, where your statement applies better.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > their focus isn't learning or teaching children foundational number sense and math concepts that will help them lead successful lives They teach undergrads. They are saying a student graduating from this framework, without outside tutoring, would not have the skills necessary to learn entry-level undergraduate math. The data-science component, additionally, seems entirely designed to support a private consulting complex. That time would be better returned to students, given the content's outright inaccuracies.
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pessimizer 3y ago
> In general we need deeper foundational knowledge beyond memorization of notation. This sounds like you're advocating for more memorization of notation, earlier, so children will have the time to be taught the deeper "foundational" knowledge that requires that notation. Otherwise, I don't know what you're talking about. > Algebra has historically been a kind of gatekeeping in middle school between kids who plug in the formulas vs the kids who "arent good at math." Any child can be good at math. A lot of children are traumatized by the unforgiving nature of quantitative reasoning, get discouraged, and are told by innumerate or condescending adults that it's alright to quit because they don't have a math brain, or that the equationa are just military-corporate imperialism used to distract people from their deeper, innate, math-senses.
- misterbishop 3y ago
  Here's a program with the goals I'm talking about: https://www.gse.upenn.edu/academics/research/responsive-math-teaching https://www.gse.upenn.edu/academics/research/responsive-math...

bigbacaloa 3y ago

It's moronic. Source: I'm a university math professor with a hell of a lot more experience teaching math well than you have.

tru1ock 3y ago
Don't breathe the air, said the fish to the bird.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> changes aren't "refusing to teach kids math", they are a better approach to math Every mathematician disagrees. The Stanford professor pushing this policy has no math education. (She does have consulting gigs with school districts where they trade a teacher's annual salary for a few hours of Zoom calls [1].) I grew up in Cupertino and am flying back to the Bay Area. Every friend who is a parent is planning on circumventing this policy by enrolling their kids in more tutoring. California is dumbing down its poor to sate a private education and education-consulting industry. [1] https://google.com/search?hl=en&q=jo%20boaler%20consulting https://google.com/search?hl=en&q=jo%20boaler%20consulting

eitally 3y ago
Every mathematician disagrees because their focus isn't learning or teaching children foundational number sense and math concepts that will help them lead successful lives. You guys are talking past each other, and the guidelines in question are aimed at the kids in primary math education, not academic and applied math, where your statement applies better.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > their focus isn't learning or teaching children foundational number sense and math concepts that will help them lead successful lives They teach undergrads. They are saying a student graduating from this framework, without outside tutoring, would not have the skills necessary to learn entry-level undergraduate math. The data-science component, additionally, seems entirely designed to support a private consulting complex. That time would be better returned to students, given the content's outright inaccuracies.
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pessimizer 3y ago

> In general we need deeper foundational knowledge beyond memorization of notation. This sounds like you're advocating for more memorization of notation, earlier, so children will have the time to be taught the deeper "foundational" knowledge that requires that notation. Otherwise, I don't know what you're talking about. > Algebra has historically been a kind of gatekeeping in middle school between kids who plug in the formulas vs the kids who "arent good at math." Any child can be good at math. A lot of children are traumatized by the unforgiving nature of quantitative reasoning, get discouraged, and are told by innumerate or condescending adults that it's alright to quit because they don't have a math brain, or that the equationa are just military-corporate imperialism used to distract people from their deeper, innate, math-senses.

misterbishop 3y ago
Here's a program with the goals I'm talking about: https://www.gse.upenn.edu/academics/research/responsive-math-teaching https://www.gse.upenn.edu/academics/research/responsive-math...