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On HN, I really expected better of people. Why does everybody think this is open source? Every third comments is about how it's open source, but it's not Does

On HN, I really expected better of people. Why does everybody think this is open source? Every third comments is about how it's open source, but it's not Does everyone also think OpenAI is open source? Or a non-profit? Does putting open in the name just mean you're going to love it?

sebzim4500 3y ago
> On HN, I really expected better of people. Why does everybody think this is open source? If you put five HN users in a room you will get at least a dozen definitions of "open source". >Does everyone also think OpenAI is open source? No one thinks that OpenAI is open source. > Or a non-profit? I think most people just assume that OpenAI is a for profit company (which it is). There is of course a non-profit foundation that is a majority shareholder in it. > Does putting open in the name just mean you're going to love it? Obviously not, since people here definitely see Meta as the good guy when compared to OpenAI.
- quickthrower2 3y ago
  Open Source is very subject to the true scotsman. Someone said on HN that just sticking all your source on Github with a permissive license isn’t true open source: it is about the community too!
  - subarctic 3y ago
    Ya, but they're wrong. Open Source is all about the license. EDIT: OK, I guess you need the actual source code, too. But once you have the source and an open source license, it's open source, whether it's on github or stored on a thumb drive, and no matter the size of the community around it. Although I guess you have a point about there being other things that are important... like you might say, Android isn't _really_ open source any more because of the way that Google has gradually made the whole ecosystem dependent on proprietary stuff like Google Play Services, and because of the fact that development happens behind closed doors at google, but technically AOSP is still open source.
mkl 3y ago
Simply by taking Meta at their word and not reading the details of the license. Meta claims at the top of the page that it is open source: > Introducing Llama 2 > The next generation of our open source large language model > Llama 2 is available for free for research and commercial use.
yreg 3y ago
It’s not open source, but it is more open than GPT. We can obviously download the weights.
baby 3y ago
You have to request to get access to the code, so I think everyone understands that it's not open source

sebzim4500 3y ago

> On HN, I really expected better of people. Why does everybody think this is open source? If you put five HN users in a room you will get at least a dozen definitions of "open source". >Does everyone also think OpenAI is open source? No one thinks that OpenAI is open source. > Or a non-profit? I think most people just assume that OpenAI is a for profit company (which it is). There is of course a non-profit foundation that is a majority shareholder in it. > Does putting open in the name just mean you're going to love it? Obviously not, since people here definitely see Meta as the good guy when compared to OpenAI.

quickthrower2 3y ago
Open Source is very subject to the true scotsman. Someone said on HN that just sticking all your source on Github with a permissive license isn’t true open source: it is about the community too!
- subarctic 3y ago
  Ya, but they're wrong. Open Source is all about the license. EDIT: OK, I guess you need the actual source code, too. But once you have the source and an open source license, it's open source, whether it's on github or stored on a thumb drive, and no matter the size of the community around it. Although I guess you have a point about there being other things that are important... like you might say, Android isn't _really_ open source any more because of the way that Google has gradually made the whole ecosystem dependent on proprietary stuff like Google Play Services, and because of the fact that development happens behind closed doors at google, but technically AOSP is still open source.

mkl 3y ago

Simply by taking Meta at their word and not reading the details of the license. Meta claims at the top of the page that it is open source: > Introducing Llama 2 > The next generation of our open source large language model > Llama 2 is available for free for research and commercial use.

yreg 3y ago

It’s not open source, but it is more open than GPT. We can obviously download the weights.

baby 3y ago

You have to request to get access to the code, so I think everyone understands that it's not open source