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Hard disagree. Google has made it plainly clear that they don't have anything useable in this space. Bard scores below all other commercial model. Google is ge

Hard disagree. Google has made it plainly clear that they don't have anything useable in this space. Bard scores below all other commercial model. Google is getting the asses handed to them, badly. I figured that the code red would whip them into shape but the rot runs deep.

rfoo 3y ago
Bard is a 4.5B or so model.
onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
> Google has made it plainly clear that they don't have anything useable in this space. Google hasn't made their best models public because they're too expensive to run for free. > Google is getting the asses handed to them, badly. Bard has 30M active users and isn't even available in large parts of the world. They're in 2nd place - when they were pretty late to the game - that's an odd way to say someone is getting their ass handed to them.
- rvnx 3y ago
  > Google hasn't made their best models public because they're too expensive to run for free. ? It's the same issue with paid models. I am paying per each request sent to Google Generative AI and this is what I get: https://i.ibb.co/4KCmz55/bard1.png https://i.ibb.co/4KCmz55/bard1.png ...
- andsoitis 3y ago
  Why do you think Google had even bothered with Bard? And then, given that, why is it worse than the competition?
chaxor 3y ago
It seems you didn't quite hear the argument. I agree with you that the models Google has released to the public are absolutely worthless. That certainly does not mean they don't have extremely performant models at all however. If you actually have worked in the area of NLP for about 10 years, you would recognize how the work from Deepmind is much more novel and innovative than other groups. OpenAI certainly has great public facing services, and Meta should be congratulated for releasing these models (although I would still prefer the Galactica training data), but academically Deepmind is one of the best groups around.
- jdkee 3y ago
  On that front, Google's Gemini sounds interesting. See https://www.tomsguide.com/news/googles-new-gemini-ai-could-beat-chatgpt-heres-why https://www.tomsguide.com/news/googles-new-gemini-ai-could-b...
  - spookie 3y ago
    It's better to wait and see. Either way, they are scraping everyone and everything. If they can't do it...
- jokethrowaway 3y ago
  Why would they have secret unreleased models? Surely Google can find another team of code monkeys to whip out a frontend if there is money to be made. I don't think Google is going to pull back from making some more money. I think the most likely option is that they have a bunch of talented academics who get paid on time to work on what interest them - but they're the stereotypical large inefficient company and they can't coordinate the effort of productionizing some cool models before the competition.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > but academically Deepmind is one of the best groups around I think your argument is basically that Google has the potential to create the best models because of superiority in the theory of LLMs, even though we hear of no signs from the board, the ceo, or beta releases or product showcases. But let’s say you’re right. When do you think we would experience the supremacy of DeepMind in our daily lives?

rfoo 3y ago

Bard is a 4.5B or so model.

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago

> Google has made it plainly clear that they don't have anything useable in this space. Google hasn't made their best models public because they're too expensive to run for free. > Google is getting the asses handed to them, badly. Bard has 30M active users and isn't even available in large parts of the world. They're in 2nd place - when they were pretty late to the game - that's an odd way to say someone is getting their ass handed to them.

rvnx 3y ago
> Google hasn't made their best models public because they're too expensive to run for free. ? It's the same issue with paid models. I am paying per each request sent to Google Generative AI and this is what I get: https://i.ibb.co/4KCmz55/bard1.png https://i.ibb.co/4KCmz55/bard1.png ...
andsoitis 3y ago
Why do you think Google had even bothered with Bard? And then, given that, why is it worse than the competition?

chaxor 3y ago

It seems you didn't quite hear the argument. I agree with you that the models Google has released to the public are absolutely worthless. That certainly does not mean they don't have extremely performant models at all however. If you actually have worked in the area of NLP for about 10 years, you would recognize how the work from Deepmind is much more novel and innovative than other groups. OpenAI certainly has great public facing services, and Meta should be congratulated for releasing these models (although I would still prefer the Galactica training data), but academically Deepmind is one of the best groups around.

jdkee 3y ago
On that front, Google's Gemini sounds interesting. See https://www.tomsguide.com/news/googles-new-gemini-ai-could-beat-chatgpt-heres-why https://www.tomsguide.com/news/googles-new-gemini-ai-could-b...
- spookie 3y ago
  It's better to wait and see. Either way, they are scraping everyone and everything. If they can't do it...
jokethrowaway 3y ago
Why would they have secret unreleased models? Surely Google can find another team of code monkeys to whip out a frontend if there is money to be made. I don't think Google is going to pull back from making some more money. I think the most likely option is that they have a bunch of talented academics who get paid on time to work on what interest them - but they're the stereotypical large inefficient company and they can't coordinate the effort of productionizing some cool models before the competition.
andsoitis 3y ago
> but academically Deepmind is one of the best groups around I think your argument is basically that Google has the potential to create the best models because of superiority in the theory of LLMs, even though we hear of no signs from the board, the ceo, or beta releases or product showcases. But let’s say you’re right. When do you think we would experience the supremacy of DeepMind in our daily lives?