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Tired of this ridiculous attitude you see everywhere on the internet, "stopped reading at X" (which may actually be near or at the end of the article), "he said

Tired of this ridiculous attitude you see everywhere on the internet, "stopped reading at X" (which may actually be near or at the end of the article), "he said X therefore I can now casually discredit everything he says", "he said something factually incorrect therefore the whole article is wrong and I don't have to engage with it". And the arrogance of it too, as if in your head it's virtuous enough to be so closed and simple minded that it's worth announcing it to the world by making such comments. Just utterly juvenile nonsense.

avgcorrection 3y ago
There are thousands, tens of thousands who compete for our attention on sites like this one via their hip Substack/Medium blogs. Them’s the breaks.
- twixfel 3y ago
  That doesn't make any sense. The point is not whether or not we should dismiss nonsense, it's that often it's the "stopped reading at X" type comments that are the real nonsense
  - avgcorrection 3y ago
    People don’t have time or won’t make the time. They use heuristics (“nonsense”) to sort out the (in their opinion) chaff. With the deluge of content that is available it is simply their prerogative.
    - twixfel 3y ago
      >People don’t have time or won’t make the time. They use heuristics (“nonsense”) to sort out the (in their opinion) chaff. They have time to make said comments. It's not that they don't have the time, but perhaps that they want their opinion to heard and their implicit supposed authority to be recognised with the minimum amount of effort. >With the deluge of content that is available it is simply their prerogative. It's their prerogative regardless of the amount of content available. That's irrelevant.
curiousllama 3y ago
Yea, but that comparison literally underpins the main point of the article (Britain becoming like Poland is bad). Been to Poland recently? It's... kinda nice! He says in 10 years Britain (currently nice) = Poland (up and coming?) = Bangladesh (not as nice)
- twixfel 3y ago
  There wasn't even a direct comparison, which again makes such "stopped reading at X" even more brain dead. The quote that prompted the OP to discard the entire article (lol): > A slowdown in “frontier growth” and technological progress matters a lot for the United States. But it matters less to Poland or Bangladesh – countries that are still trying to get to the frontier. That Poland is a nice place is neither here nor there. Poland and Bangladesh are both playing catch up (objectively true). Britain used to not be playing catch up. Now it is starting to have to play catch up. That's bad.
- rchaud 3y ago
  > Been to Poland recently? It's... kinda nice! 2 decades of EU largesse and cross-Europe migrant remittances will do that. Does the UK have a similar windfall coming?
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    > 2 decades of EU largesse and cross-Europe migrant remittances will do that. Does the UK have a similar windfall coming? But don't other countries have more than two decades of reimttances yet are still stuck at 10x lower gdps than poland? Could it simply be that good policy and hard work are the reasons why poland is developing?
    - rchaud 3y ago
      Good policy and hard work go a lot further when there's steady funding and guaranteed market access to support that. I'm not attributing all of Poland's advances to the EU, just mentioning that Poland's trajectory was upwards due in part to these factors. Factors that the UK does not currently have in its favour.
Tade0 3y ago
I'm Polish and I had trouble figuring out why would the two countries be put side by side like that, but this: > If the UK continues with the same rate of growth it has enjoyed over the last decade, then Poland will be richer than Britain in about 12 years’ time. I find unlikely. I mean, we're doing good economically wise, but not that good. We're going to catch up to Greece and Portugal soon enough - just like the Czech Republic did, but e.g. Italy is out of reach anywhere in the near future.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  > I'm Polish and I had trouble figuring out why would the two countries be put side by side like that, Because the author is firmly in the camp that fails to aknowledge any and all progress made by east european countries, and by Poland in particular. Wouldn't fit the narrative of a brexit campaign focused on slandering those nations and their citizens. Furthermore, putting it next to Bangladesh, or India, the author thinks, may make the damage done to former colonies of west european "powers" less obvious. The reality of east europe, and poland in particular, being significantly more developed than the rest of the world - much of which has suffered at the hands of said "powers" - is irrelevant. That particular line of text discredits the whole article, which in my view, doesn't belong here. It belongs at most on the dailymail, or perhaps the guardian - another library of content that tirelessly portrairs east europeans as some sort of underclass worthy of pitty and scarecrow. But you know, in Poland, a country with an ever growing economy, eggs are not rationed. So perhaps the author is right in way that Poland may overtake the UK, sooner rather than later. Personally I have full confidence it will.
  - Tade0 3y ago
    > But you know, in Poland, a country with an ever growing economy, eggs are not rationed. So perhaps the author is right in way that Poland may overtake the UK, sooner rather than later. Personally I have full confidence it will. I don't think it will happen during my lifetime in nominal terms(so e.g. GDP per capita), but to me personally it doesn't matter, because my quality of life is already where I want it to be. Arguably it's even better at home, because here I can at least afford real estate.

avgcorrection 3y ago

There are thousands, tens of thousands who compete for our attention on sites like this one via their hip Substack/Medium blogs. Them’s the breaks.

twixfel 3y ago
That doesn't make any sense. The point is not whether or not we should dismiss nonsense, it's that often it's the "stopped reading at X" type comments that are the real nonsense
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  People don’t have time or won’t make the time. They use heuristics (“nonsense”) to sort out the (in their opinion) chaff. With the deluge of content that is available it is simply their prerogative.
  - twixfel 3y ago
    >People don’t have time or won’t make the time. They use heuristics (“nonsense”) to sort out the (in their opinion) chaff. They have time to make said comments. It's not that they don't have the time, but perhaps that they want their opinion to heard and their implicit supposed authority to be recognised with the minimum amount of effort. >With the deluge of content that is available it is simply their prerogative. It's their prerogative regardless of the amount of content available. That's irrelevant.

curiousllama 3y ago

Yea, but that comparison literally underpins the main point of the article (Britain becoming like Poland is bad). Been to Poland recently? It's... kinda nice! He says in 10 years Britain (currently nice) = Poland (up and coming?) = Bangladesh (not as nice)

twixfel 3y ago
There wasn't even a direct comparison, which again makes such "stopped reading at X" even more brain dead. The quote that prompted the OP to discard the entire article (lol): > A slowdown in “frontier growth” and technological progress matters a lot for the United States. But it matters less to Poland or Bangladesh – countries that are still trying to get to the frontier. That Poland is a nice place is neither here nor there. Poland and Bangladesh are both playing catch up (objectively true). Britain used to not be playing catch up. Now it is starting to have to play catch up. That's bad.
rchaud 3y ago
> Been to Poland recently? It's... kinda nice! 2 decades of EU largesse and cross-Europe migrant remittances will do that. Does the UK have a similar windfall coming?
- gumballindie 3y ago
  > 2 decades of EU largesse and cross-Europe migrant remittances will do that. Does the UK have a similar windfall coming? But don't other countries have more than two decades of reimttances yet are still stuck at 10x lower gdps than poland? Could it simply be that good policy and hard work are the reasons why poland is developing?
  - rchaud 3y ago
    Good policy and hard work go a lot further when there's steady funding and guaranteed market access to support that. I'm not attributing all of Poland's advances to the EU, just mentioning that Poland's trajectory was upwards due in part to these factors. Factors that the UK does not currently have in its favour.

Tade0 3y ago

I'm Polish and I had trouble figuring out why would the two countries be put side by side like that, but this: > If the UK continues with the same rate of growth it has enjoyed over the last decade, then Poland will be richer than Britain in about 12 years’ time. I find unlikely. I mean, we're doing good economically wise, but not that good. We're going to catch up to Greece and Portugal soon enough - just like the Czech Republic did, but e.g. Italy is out of reach anywhere in the near future.

gumballindie 3y ago
> I'm Polish and I had trouble figuring out why would the two countries be put side by side like that, Because the author is firmly in the camp that fails to aknowledge any and all progress made by east european countries, and by Poland in particular. Wouldn't fit the narrative of a brexit campaign focused on slandering those nations and their citizens. Furthermore, putting it next to Bangladesh, or India, the author thinks, may make the damage done to former colonies of west european "powers" less obvious. The reality of east europe, and poland in particular, being significantly more developed than the rest of the world - much of which has suffered at the hands of said "powers" - is irrelevant. That particular line of text discredits the whole article, which in my view, doesn't belong here. It belongs at most on the dailymail, or perhaps the guardian - another library of content that tirelessly portrairs east europeans as some sort of underclass worthy of pitty and scarecrow. But you know, in Poland, a country with an ever growing economy, eggs are not rationed. So perhaps the author is right in way that Poland may overtake the UK, sooner rather than later. Personally I have full confidence it will.
- Tade0 3y ago
  > But you know, in Poland, a country with an ever growing economy, eggs are not rationed. So perhaps the author is right in way that Poland may overtake the UK, sooner rather than later. Personally I have full confidence it will. I don't think it will happen during my lifetime in nominal terms(so e.g. GDP per capita), but to me personally it doesn't matter, because my quality of life is already where I want it to be. Arguably it's even better at home, because here I can at least afford real estate.