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Sorry but I don't understand your point. ICE cars also need gas stations, also need to pay for their fuel and also get cold when it's cold yet we've managed to

Sorry but I don't understand your point. ICE cars also need gas stations, also need to pay for their fuel and also get cold when it's cold yet we've managed to do just fine for a long time without screens or even smartphones.

EspressoGPT 3y ago
> ICE cars also need gas stations, also need to pay for their fuel To be able to access a wide range of charging points, you will have to set up some accounts with multiple providers. There are more and more charging points that support debit cards because they have been made mandatory in several countries, but it is still recommended to register with at least one provider to get lower charging prices. Not all charging points require an account, but you'll still need an app. Again, this is just not the same experience and process as with ICE cars – you could somehow try to replicate it, but you will find that those "high tech features" make life easier. > and also get cold when it's cold Which isn't a problem because an ICE car doesn't lose a third of its range when it's cold, as opposed to an EV.
- WorldMaker 3y ago
  There's no technical reason the charging networks couldn't just swipe cards like gas pumps and almost all of them decided that they needed (weird, terrible) custom apps and (overly complicated) sign up procedures. Setting up the charging points on the current networks in my experience happens in phone apps and you couldn't use the car's screen if you wanted to anyway. As everything moves to NACS in the US "plug-and-charge" should get a lot more common where you don't need to fiddle with a charging point's network's app any longer, because the car stores your payment info for you and transmits it when you plug in.
BluePen7 3y ago
ICE cars fuelling speed isn't limited by the temperature of the gas tank when you arrive. We could give power users a button to manually do that, but how far in advance you press it would have to depend on the heat you'll gain naturally on that particular route, the ambient temperature, and how you typically drive. And if you get it wrong, you've wasted a bunch of your battery power or arrived colder than ideal. If you accidentally pressed it, or changed your mind, you've used a bunch of power for absolutely no reason. Personally, I don't trust the average driver to check their tire pressure.
- WorldMaker 3y ago
  > ICE cars fuelling speed isn't limited by the temperature of the gas tank when you arrive. Gas refueling speed is absolutely affected by temperature and there are unsafe temperatures to refuel at. I've owned cars with vacuum sealed tanks that need a short wait and a mechanical unseal with safety checks before you refuel. I've seen gas pumps shut off because of outdoor temperature. Just because we can do everything in software doesn't mean we don't have a history of mechanical solutions. Everything old is new again. Software is ultimately cheaper to update/fix and this is likely going to remain a driving force. There's also, yes, the trust factor in relying on automated software versus say mounting a battery temperature gauge on a dashboard and trying to train owners to check it or fidlde a bunch of switches around it before charging.

EspressoGPT 3y ago

> ICE cars also need gas stations, also need to pay for their fuel To be able to access a wide range of charging points, you will have to set up some accounts with multiple providers. There are more and more charging points that support debit cards because they have been made mandatory in several countries, but it is still recommended to register with at least one provider to get lower charging prices. Not all charging points require an account, but you'll still need an app. Again, this is just not the same experience and process as with ICE cars – you could somehow try to replicate it, but you will find that those "high tech features" make life easier. > and also get cold when it's cold Which isn't a problem because an ICE car doesn't lose a third of its range when it's cold, as opposed to an EV.

WorldMaker 3y ago
There's no technical reason the charging networks couldn't just swipe cards like gas pumps and almost all of them decided that they needed (weird, terrible) custom apps and (overly complicated) sign up procedures. Setting up the charging points on the current networks in my experience happens in phone apps and you couldn't use the car's screen if you wanted to anyway. As everything moves to NACS in the US "plug-and-charge" should get a lot more common where you don't need to fiddle with a charging point's network's app any longer, because the car stores your payment info for you and transmits it when you plug in.

BluePen7 3y ago

ICE cars fuelling speed isn't limited by the temperature of the gas tank when you arrive. We could give power users a button to manually do that, but how far in advance you press it would have to depend on the heat you'll gain naturally on that particular route, the ambient temperature, and how you typically drive. And if you get it wrong, you've wasted a bunch of your battery power or arrived colder than ideal. If you accidentally pressed it, or changed your mind, you've used a bunch of power for absolutely no reason. Personally, I don't trust the average driver to check their tire pressure.

WorldMaker 3y ago
> ICE cars fuelling speed isn't limited by the temperature of the gas tank when you arrive. Gas refueling speed is absolutely affected by temperature and there are unsafe temperatures to refuel at. I've owned cars with vacuum sealed tanks that need a short wait and a mechanical unseal with safety checks before you refuel. I've seen gas pumps shut off because of outdoor temperature. Just because we can do everything in software doesn't mean we don't have a history of mechanical solutions. Everything old is new again. Software is ultimately cheaper to update/fix and this is likely going to remain a driving force. There's also, yes, the trust factor in relying on automated software versus say mounting a battery temperature gauge on a dashboard and trying to train owners to check it or fidlde a bunch of switches around it before charging.