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Your point seems to come down to this argument, which I don't believe is in good faith (I don't believe the vendors are acting terribly laudably, either, but th
by Jedd 3y ago
Your point seems to come down to this argument, which I don't believe is in good faith (I don't believe the vendors are acting terribly laudably, either, but that's a separate issue).
> Sure, in a strictly literal, legal sense, it is quite possible that they are not selling a defective product because they lied to the customer and tricked them into purchasing a substandard product.
So you said a guarantee was broken earlier, and I asked you to demonstrate that or point to where they've committed to guaranteeing a certain quality of service.
Now you have adopted a position of saying they're technically not doing anything wrong, but morally they are, which when talking about Microsoft or Amazon or Google or Apple or (etc) is a bit of a slippery slope and/or isn't really news.
I see you also slipped in a 'they lied to their customers' (and 'tricked them') but if you read any EULA you'll see it's all best-effort, sold as is, no warranty for any purpose, etc etc, and this has always been the case.
Should it be the case? I don't have a good answer there. If you want penalty clauses, I'm sure you can find vendors that will oblige, but a) you'll quickly have an adversarial relationship with your supplier, after b) you spend stupid numbers of monies negotiating such a contract, and c) you'll still suffer exploits and outages.
- loup-vaillant 3y agoI believe they are arguing for a change in the law, so that software is held to similar standards as the other consumer facing industries. That we should not even be allowed to waive as many guarantees as we do. The EU is currently working on making that happen. The current draft looks like it could be improved, but overall this looks pretty reasonable.
- Jedd 3y agoOh, look, I get that it's a laudable goal, my point here is that we don't have that arrangement now. The nice thing about EU doing the heavy lifting on some of these tendentious subjects is that the rest of us often get to (eventually) enjoy the benefits, just because it's easier for them to not have to maintain two 'things' (product lines, releases, etc).