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The gap between American doctors and those in some European countries is even higher than the one between software engineers.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Because public healthcare systems dictate how much a doctor is to be paid and how much each procedure should cost, in the public system, which is why the public system keeps getting more bogged down as the sums the state allocates aren't keeping up with the increased inflation and demand, so more and more people need to rely on the private system.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  And despite this, those socialised systems still have better outcomes per dollar spent.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Maybe if you can stomach the waiting times but then the private medical sector wouldn't be growling so rapidly for procedure the state also does.
    - oblio 3y ago
      Anecdotally many people in Europe find waiting times comparable in the US and EU. Unless you have studies to back this up, I'd drop the waiting time argument.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        Who are those people in Europe who find waiting times comparable to the US? Anecdotally I have to await much longer than my colleagues in the US (same field, same company) to see a specialist (months vs weeks). Also, the my public insurance doesn't cover my physiotherapy for my back pain, while the insurance my US colleagues get through their employer does. >Unless you have studies to back this up, I'd drop the waiting time argument. Maybe you should drop it until you can provide any kind of argument or evidence, because you wrote some words but said nothing of value.
        oblio 3y ago
        > Maybe you should drop it until you can provide any kind of argument or evidence, because you wrote some words but said nothing of value. Neither have you. My anecdotes contradict yours. I'll just drop this since I've seen your other comment about inequality where I literally provided numbers and you disagreed without providing any counter-data. Let's call this a day and move on.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >My anecdotes contradict yours. Which anecdotes? You haven't even provided anecdote just baseless disagreement statements lol. Might as well just plug your ears with your fingers and yell "lalalala I can't hear you lalalala" or just fart and call that an argument. BTW, i did provide a source in the inequality comment. Check again. Also how else do you want to measure waiting times in my country vs the US except comparing my experiences with the people I know living there on similar jobs? It's not like my government made statistics against the US health system to compare so comparing with my work colleagues from the US is the best I can do. You're just being contrarian for the sake of trolling. Please provide some information if you disagree ,even anecdotes, because otherwise you're wasting everyone's time or you enjoy trolling.
    - lostlogin 3y ago
      There is data on this. It isn’t clear to me that USA is better. https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/healthcare-wait-times-by-country/ https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/healthcare-wait-times... https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/242e3c8c-en/1/3/2/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/242e3c8c-en&_csp_=e90031be7ce6b03025f09a0c506286b0&itemIGO=oecd&itemContentType=book https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/242e3c8c-en/1/3/2/index....
nerdponx 3y ago
I was talking about administrators and other "non-medical" staff. Nurses and doctors are in short supply as the working conditions are absolutely brutal, offset only by the possibility (not a promise) of fabulous wealth later in your career for doctors, and offset by nothing in particular for nurses. And hospital bureaucracy and poorly designed EMR systems makes it worse, not better. Let's not glamorize the American system just because the European system is struggling in its own way.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

Because public healthcare systems dictate how much a doctor is to be paid and how much each procedure should cost, in the public system, which is why the public system keeps getting more bogged down as the sums the state allocates aren't keeping up with the increased inflation and demand, so more and more people need to rely on the private system.

lostlogin 3y ago
And despite this, those socialised systems still have better outcomes per dollar spent.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Maybe if you can stomach the waiting times but then the private medical sector wouldn't be growling so rapidly for procedure the state also does.
  - oblio 3y ago
    Anecdotally many people in Europe find waiting times comparable in the US and EU. Unless you have studies to back this up, I'd drop the waiting time argument.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      Who are those people in Europe who find waiting times comparable to the US? Anecdotally I have to await much longer than my colleagues in the US (same field, same company) to see a specialist (months vs weeks). Also, the my public insurance doesn't cover my physiotherapy for my back pain, while the insurance my US colleagues get through their employer does. >Unless you have studies to back this up, I'd drop the waiting time argument. Maybe you should drop it until you can provide any kind of argument or evidence, because you wrote some words but said nothing of value.
      - oblio 3y ago
        > Maybe you should drop it until you can provide any kind of argument or evidence, because you wrote some words but said nothing of value. Neither have you. My anecdotes contradict yours. I'll just drop this since I've seen your other comment about inequality where I literally provided numbers and you disagreed without providing any counter-data. Let's call this a day and move on.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >My anecdotes contradict yours. Which anecdotes? You haven't even provided anecdote just baseless disagreement statements lol. Might as well just plug your ears with your fingers and yell "lalalala I can't hear you lalalala" or just fart and call that an argument. BTW, i did provide a source in the inequality comment. Check again. Also how else do you want to measure waiting times in my country vs the US except comparing my experiences with the people I know living there on similar jobs? It's not like my government made statistics against the US health system to compare so comparing with my work colleagues from the US is the best I can do. You're just being contrarian for the sake of trolling. Please provide some information if you disagree ,even anecdotes, because otherwise you're wasting everyone's time or you enjoy trolling.
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    There is data on this. It isn’t clear to me that USA is better. https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/healthcare-wait-times-by-country/ https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/healthcare-wait-times... https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/242e3c8c-en/1/3/2/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/242e3c8c-en&_csp_=e90031be7ce6b03025f09a0c506286b0&itemIGO=oecd&itemContentType=book https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/242e3c8c-en/1/3/2/index....

nerdponx 3y ago

I was talking about administrators and other "non-medical" staff. Nurses and doctors are in short supply as the working conditions are absolutely brutal, offset only by the possibility (not a promise) of fabulous wealth later in your career for doctors, and offset by nothing in particular for nurses. And hospital bureaucracy and poorly designed EMR systems makes it worse, not better. Let's not glamorize the American system just because the European system is struggling in its own way.