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On their about page: >OpenStreetMap has a list of (nearly) every bench in the world – but they don’t record whether there is an inscription on it. Weird since

On their about page: >OpenStreetMap has a list of (nearly) every bench in the world – but they don’t record whether there is an inscription on it. Weird since OpenStreetMap does have an inscription=* key, which could be combined with the historic=memorial and memorial=bench tags. So what the site does could very well be achieved with OpenStreetMap alone.

globular-toast 3y ago
I've personally added inscriptions to the Map because I noticed other people had. I assumed, therefore, the data was coming from OSM. Then I noticed they have pictures of the benches too.
- intrasight 3y ago
  There are lots of memorial benches around where I am. After reading your comment, I decided to go look at an example photo. Randomly zoomed in to Seville, Spain and click on one. https://openbenches.org/bench/4860 https://openbenches.org/bench/4860 Wow - what a bench! Not at all what I was expecting. Then I went to Rome, Italy and the reverse happened. Just a normal bench. https://openbenches.org/bench/11382 https://openbenches.org/bench/11382 https://openbenches.org/bench/11382 https://openbenches.org/bench/11382
  - twic 3y ago
    That is the gardens of the Alcazar, a very impressive royal palace. Well worth a visit if you're in town. https://www.flickr.com/photos/phil_masters/5169339660 https://www.flickr.com/photos/phil_masters/5169339660 https://packmeto.com/alcazar-seville/ https://packmeto.com/alcazar-seville/
- Ajedi32 3y ago
  You can link to images in OSM too[1], but you need to find a place to actually host the files. So far the best option seems to be to upload the images to the Wikimedia commons and then link from OSM using the wikimedia_commons tag[2], though the UX of that is pretty awkward. [1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:image https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:image [2]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons
NoboruWataya 3y ago
I understood that to mean not that OSM can't record that information, just that it doesn't - I assume people tend not to include that level of detail when contributing to OSM. So the benefit of this site is that it focuses contributor's attention on the inscription and prompts them to include it. It's a cool idea - I wonder if they feed the data back up to OSM. If not they (or someone) presumably could easily enough. Also interesting and linked from their About page is https://openplaques.org/ https://openplaques.org/
- Rygian 3y ago
  A general tendence in OSM is that things that "aren't mapped" will end up being mapped. For example, natural=tree was originally intended for notable trees only, but if you look at the map today you'll see each individual tree mapped on parks, boulevards, picnic sites, regardless of its notability. So in OSM, it's not that it can't record, or that it doesn't record. It's always that not many mappers haven't yet focused on the topic.
alexmuller 3y ago
There's some recent good news about this in a GitHub issue: https://github.com/openbenches/openbenches.org/issues/232 https://github.com/openbenches/openbenches.org/issues/232
edent 3y ago
I'm one of the people behind OpenBenches. When I wrote that page (6 years ago) there was no easy way to add inscriptions to benches. I'm happy that has changed and we now have a signed agreement with OSM to allow them to reuse our data.
- unnervingduck 3y ago
  That's awesome! Benefits of open licenses, it's a win-win for both parties.
- cowsandmilk 3y ago
  For those looking, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:memorial%3Dbench# https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:memorial%3Dbench# has an example for how to map a memorial bench with an inscription:
pacificpendant 3y ago
A long time ago, so the details are vague and may have changed, I was interested in adding trees and tagging their species in OSM. I asked some people that know more about OSM than me and was told that OSM doesn't want to store data that isn't used for rendering the maps. There are sometimes links to external data in OSM using Wikidata for example.
- mpawelski 3y ago
  Really? There are OSM wiki articles that describes how to tag tree species [0]. The usage also seems to be pretty high [1]. [0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:species https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:species [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/species#chronology https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/species#chronology
- habi 3y ago
  The standard layer on osm.org (OSM Carto) does render trees/forests differently, depeding how the trees are tagged. Search for 'leaftype' on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:OSM_Carto_rendering_examples https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:OSM_Carto_rende... to see for yourself.

globular-toast 3y ago

I've personally added inscriptions to the Map because I noticed other people had. I assumed, therefore, the data was coming from OSM. Then I noticed they have pictures of the benches too.

intrasight 3y ago
There are lots of memorial benches around where I am. After reading your comment, I decided to go look at an example photo. Randomly zoomed in to Seville, Spain and click on one. https://openbenches.org/bench/4860 https://openbenches.org/bench/4860 Wow - what a bench! Not at all what I was expecting. Then I went to Rome, Italy and the reverse happened. Just a normal bench. https://openbenches.org/bench/11382 https://openbenches.org/bench/11382 https://openbenches.org/bench/11382 https://openbenches.org/bench/11382
- twic 3y ago
  That is the gardens of the Alcazar, a very impressive royal palace. Well worth a visit if you're in town. https://www.flickr.com/photos/phil_masters/5169339660 https://www.flickr.com/photos/phil_masters/5169339660 https://packmeto.com/alcazar-seville/ https://packmeto.com/alcazar-seville/
Ajedi32 3y ago
You can link to images in OSM too[1], but you need to find a place to actually host the files. So far the best option seems to be to upload the images to the Wikimedia commons and then link from OSM using the wikimedia_commons tag[2], though the UX of that is pretty awkward. [1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:image https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:image [2]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons

NoboruWataya 3y ago

I understood that to mean not that OSM can't record that information, just that it doesn't - I assume people tend not to include that level of detail when contributing to OSM. So the benefit of this site is that it focuses contributor's attention on the inscription and prompts them to include it. It's a cool idea - I wonder if they feed the data back up to OSM. If not they (or someone) presumably could easily enough. Also interesting and linked from their About page is https://openplaques.org/ https://openplaques.org/

Rygian 3y ago
A general tendence in OSM is that things that "aren't mapped" will end up being mapped. For example, natural=tree was originally intended for notable trees only, but if you look at the map today you'll see each individual tree mapped on parks, boulevards, picnic sites, regardless of its notability. So in OSM, it's not that it can't record, or that it doesn't record. It's always that not many mappers haven't yet focused on the topic.

alexmuller 3y ago

There's some recent good news about this in a GitHub issue: https://github.com/openbenches/openbenches.org/issues/232 https://github.com/openbenches/openbenches.org/issues/232

edent 3y ago

I'm one of the people behind OpenBenches. When I wrote that page (6 years ago) there was no easy way to add inscriptions to benches. I'm happy that has changed and we now have a signed agreement with OSM to allow them to reuse our data.

unnervingduck 3y ago
That's awesome! Benefits of open licenses, it's a win-win for both parties.
cowsandmilk 3y ago
For those looking, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:memorial%3Dbench# https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:memorial%3Dbench# has an example for how to map a memorial bench with an inscription:

pacificpendant 3y ago

A long time ago, so the details are vague and may have changed, I was interested in adding trees and tagging their species in OSM. I asked some people that know more about OSM than me and was told that OSM doesn't want to store data that isn't used for rendering the maps. There are sometimes links to external data in OSM using Wikidata for example.

mpawelski 3y ago
Really? There are OSM wiki articles that describes how to tag tree species [0]. The usage also seems to be pretty high [1]. [0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:species https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:species [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/species#chronology https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/species#chronology
habi 3y ago
The standard layer on osm.org (OSM Carto) does render trees/forests differently, depeding how the trees are tagged. Search for 'leaftype' on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:OSM_Carto_rendering_examples https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:OSM_Carto_rende... to see for yourself.