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Are you suggesting the EU should start pillaging countries? What petrostate should we liberate to becone self-sufficient? As luck would have it, the US achieved

Are you suggesting the EU should start pillaging countries? What petrostate should we liberate to becone self-sufficient? As luck would have it, the US achieved that right after conquering Iraq

ffhhttt 3y ago
Are you saying that the war in Iraq was in anyway profitable for the US? > As luck would have it, the US achieved that right after conquering Iraq Yes? A whole of of things happened back. I’m really not sure what are you implying here? Did they secretly ship Iraqi oil to the US and pretend it was extracted there? > What petrostate should we liberate to becone self-sufficient Uhm.. Libya? Or did everyone already forget that?
rootw0rm 3y ago
I'd personally recommend liberating Venezuela
nvm0n1 3y ago
The US is self-sufficient in oil because it developed the tech to do fracking of the oil sands, it's nothing to do with Iraq.
- oblio 3y ago
  Europe could be self sufficient in oil and gas (we're constantly finding new reserves in EU/EU associated territory), it just doesn't want to dig those up because it's hugely destructive for the environment.
  - cman1444 3y ago
    Isn't Norway a massive producer of oil? And I think they're quite environmentally conscious. Also isn't Germany burning coal at record rates right now? I'm not totally buying the argument that Europe is just abstaining from easy production for environmental reasons.
    - oblio 3y ago
      > Isn't Norway a massive producer of oil? Yes, of oil and gas, and they're not producing as much as they could, for environmental reasons. They're holding off on production. > And I think they're quite environmentally conscious. They are, they could produce more. Similar story for the UK and the Netherlands with North Sea gas. > Also isn't Germany burning coal at record rates right now? Not record rates, standard rates and declining very slowly (2023 is actually better than 2022, shown here): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Germany#/media/File:Energiemix_Deutschland.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Germany#... They did mess up the transition with the early decommissioning of nuclear power plants, corruption is probably to blame.

Are you suggesting the EU should start pillaging countries? What petrostate should we liberate to becone self-sufficient? As luck would have it, the US achieved that right after conquering Iraq

ffhhttt 3y ago

Are you saying that the war in Iraq was in anyway profitable for the US? > As luck would have it, the US achieved that right after conquering Iraq Yes? A whole of of things happened back. I’m really not sure what are you implying here? Did they secretly ship Iraqi oil to the US and pretend it was extracted there? > What petrostate should we liberate to becone self-sufficient Uhm.. Libya? Or did everyone already forget that?

rootw0rm 3y ago

I'd personally recommend liberating Venezuela

nvm0n1 3y ago

The US is self-sufficient in oil because it developed the tech to do fracking of the oil sands, it's nothing to do with Iraq.

oblio 3y ago
Europe could be self sufficient in oil and gas (we're constantly finding new reserves in EU/EU associated territory), it just doesn't want to dig those up because it's hugely destructive for the environment.
- cman1444 3y ago
  Isn't Norway a massive producer of oil? And I think they're quite environmentally conscious. Also isn't Germany burning coal at record rates right now? I'm not totally buying the argument that Europe is just abstaining from easy production for environmental reasons.
  - oblio 3y ago
    > Isn't Norway a massive producer of oil? Yes, of oil and gas, and they're not producing as much as they could, for environmental reasons. They're holding off on production. > And I think they're quite environmentally conscious. They are, they could produce more. Similar story for the UK and the Netherlands with North Sea gas. > Also isn't Germany burning coal at record rates right now? Not record rates, standard rates and declining very slowly (2023 is actually better than 2022, shown here): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Germany#/media/File:Energiemix_Deutschland.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Germany#... They did mess up the transition with the early decommissioning of nuclear power plants, corruption is probably to blame.