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In Norway, this car would be very unlikely to pass the mandatory roadworthiness test. You would be forced to fix the car, or sell it to someone who will fix it

In Norway, this car would be very unlikely to pass the mandatory roadworthiness test. You would be forced to fix the car, or sell it to someone who will fix it, or remove the plates and deregister it, or scrap it. If you don’t do anything the police will remove the plates. I would advice fixing the car or selling it to someone who will fix it because it has some value. https://www.vegvesen.no/en/vehicles/own-and-maintain/eu-mandatory-roadworthiness-test-eu-test/?lang=en https://www.vegvesen.no/en/vehicles/own-and-maintain/eu-mand... https://www.vegvesen.no/en/vehicles/own-and-maintain/eu-mandatory-roadworthiness-test-eu-test/failed-the-test/ https://www.vegvesen.no/en/vehicles/own-and-maintain/eu-mand...

robmusial 3y ago
The 914 in the picture looks like a 1970 or 1971 so since it's over 50 years old it looks like it wouldn't be inspected anymore. [0] A lot of states in the US also require safety inspections (including North Carolina where the author teaches) but often make exceptions for antique cars. [0] https://www.vegvesen.no/en/vehicles/own-and-maintain/eu-mandatory-roadworthiness-test-eu-test/when-can-you-take-the-test/ https://www.vegvesen.no/en/vehicles/own-and-maintain/eu-mand...
- speedgoose 3y ago
  Interesting. It seems to be possible to skip the check for vehicles worthy of preservation. It requires the vehicle to not be modified (original design), which seems to be the case there, but also the safety equipment must function satisfactorily, which may be up for debate there. > are in virtually original design > Devices/equipment that are important for safety must function satisfactorily > Must only be used - on special occasions such as motor history gatherings and races - otherwise occasionally when the use does not cause undue danger or inconvenience to other traffic. So I would fix the brakes. https://lovdata.no/forskrift/1994-10-04-918/§1-9 https://lovdata.no/forskrift/1994-10-04-918/§1-9 (translated with DeepL)
  - anjc 3y ago
    > You would be forced to fix the car, or sell it to someone who will fix it, or remove the plates and deregister it, or scrap it. If you don’t do anything the police will remove the plates. > I would advice fixing the car or selling it to someone who will fix it because it has some value. Your comments were quite confident when you weren't actually familiar with the basics of the topic. Most countries have relaxed road worthiness tests or complete exemptions for classic cars, and I think this stands to reason.
    - speedgoose 3y ago
      Indeed I as wrong as I wasn’t aware about the exception for old worth preserving vehicles. If I was the king I wouldn’t allow old death traps to drive on open roads but I guess it makes sense to some.
      - ourmandave 3y ago
        In the U.S. you get insurance discounts for having safety equipment (e.g. day time running lights, etc.). I assume under the speedgoose monarchy the rates would be prohibitively expensive.
      - sgt 3y ago
        People with vintage cars like that generally take care of them, so it's a very low risk. Same with motorcycles (also doesn't need regular inspections in Norway) - the riders generally have a very good reason to keep them safe for their own wellbeing.
        alvah 3y ago
        Also annual miles / kms tend to be very low, so the overall risk is usually quite contained as you say.
        dwater 3y ago
        As someone who owns a 1970 car and several motorcycles from the 70's, I would say that this is not true in the US. If you're imagining a wealthy guy with a spotless garage that pays top dollar to keep his antiques maintained in excellent condition, then you're thinking of the minority of antique vehicle owners. I bought my car for $14k and it would cost more than that to restore it (which I don't have). I do my best to keep it in acceptable roadworthy condition, but I also frequently test drive it around the neighborhood knowing full well something isn't working properly. In my state, vehicles registered as antiques are not required to have the annual safety inspection performed, and it is the owner's responsibility to keep the vehicle in safe operating condition, which is never checked by anyone.
- pantalaimon 3y ago
  In Germany you absolutely have to have your car inspected regularly if you want to drive it on public roads, no matter the age. Even if it's a 130 year old Benz Victoria: https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Deutschlands-wohl-aeltestes-Auto-besteht-mit-Bravour-den-TUeV,oldtimer1160.html https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_ha...
coffeebeqn 3y ago
It sounds like the author is perfectly capable of maintaining the car and takes pride in it. I doubt you could really “fix” it so that it runs like a 2014 Corolla unless you build it from the ground up
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Even then you'd still have to lubricate some bits more frequently and re-adjust the valves.
- speedgoose 3y ago
  I haven’t driven this old Porsche but I assume the brakes were working better than what is described in the article before.
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bityard 3y ago
Good thing the author isn't in Norway, I guess. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to keep his car which clearly has a lot of sentimental value to him. Also, Norway should consider dropping mandatory passenger vehicle inspections as mechanical malfunctions are a tiny percentage of accident causes (and might be lower than officially reported by police) and it has been shown that they do nothing to increase actual on-the-road safety: https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1319&context=fhssconference_studentpub https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=... https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812115 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... https://www.theamericanconsumer.org/2019/06/do-mandatory-vehicle-inspections-really-make-us-safer/ https://www.theamericanconsumer.org/2019/06/do-mandatory-veh...
- jacquesm 3y ago
  They make the car industry a ton of money though so I don't expect them to go away any time soon.
- speedgoose 3y ago
  Your data says about 2% of the crashes. Seems very much worth it. And the test also checks the pollution or reduces the annoyances to other drivers (such as too high headlights, broken light indicators, smelly vehicles,…).

robmusial 3y ago

The 914 in the picture looks like a 1970 or 1971 so since it's over 50 years old it looks like it wouldn't be inspected anymore. [0] A lot of states in the US also require safety inspections (including North Carolina where the author teaches) but often make exceptions for antique cars. [0] https://www.vegvesen.no/en/vehicles/own-and-maintain/eu-mandatory-roadworthiness-test-eu-test/when-can-you-take-the-test/ https://www.vegvesen.no/en/vehicles/own-and-maintain/eu-mand...

speedgoose 3y ago
Interesting. It seems to be possible to skip the check for vehicles worthy of preservation. It requires the vehicle to not be modified (original design), which seems to be the case there, but also the safety equipment must function satisfactorily, which may be up for debate there. > are in virtually original design > Devices/equipment that are important for safety must function satisfactorily > Must only be used - on special occasions such as motor history gatherings and races - otherwise occasionally when the use does not cause undue danger or inconvenience to other traffic. So I would fix the brakes. https://lovdata.no/forskrift/1994-10-04-918/§1-9 https://lovdata.no/forskrift/1994-10-04-918/§1-9 (translated with DeepL)
- anjc 3y ago
  > You would be forced to fix the car, or sell it to someone who will fix it, or remove the plates and deregister it, or scrap it. If you don’t do anything the police will remove the plates. > I would advice fixing the car or selling it to someone who will fix it because it has some value. Your comments were quite confident when you weren't actually familiar with the basics of the topic. Most countries have relaxed road worthiness tests or complete exemptions for classic cars, and I think this stands to reason.
  - speedgoose 3y ago
    Indeed I as wrong as I wasn’t aware about the exception for old worth preserving vehicles. If I was the king I wouldn’t allow old death traps to drive on open roads but I guess it makes sense to some.
    - ourmandave 3y ago
      In the U.S. you get insurance discounts for having safety equipment (e.g. day time running lights, etc.). I assume under the speedgoose monarchy the rates would be prohibitively expensive.
    - sgt 3y ago
      People with vintage cars like that generally take care of them, so it's a very low risk. Same with motorcycles (also doesn't need regular inspections in Norway) - the riders generally have a very good reason to keep them safe for their own wellbeing.
      - alvah 3y ago
        Also annual miles / kms tend to be very low, so the overall risk is usually quite contained as you say.
      - dwater 3y ago
        As someone who owns a 1970 car and several motorcycles from the 70's, I would say that this is not true in the US. If you're imagining a wealthy guy with a spotless garage that pays top dollar to keep his antiques maintained in excellent condition, then you're thinking of the minority of antique vehicle owners. I bought my car for $14k and it would cost more than that to restore it (which I don't have). I do my best to keep it in acceptable roadworthy condition, but I also frequently test drive it around the neighborhood knowing full well something isn't working properly. In my state, vehicles registered as antiques are not required to have the annual safety inspection performed, and it is the owner's responsibility to keep the vehicle in safe operating condition, which is never checked by anyone.
pantalaimon 3y ago
In Germany you absolutely have to have your car inspected regularly if you want to drive it on public roads, no matter the age. Even if it's a 130 year old Benz Victoria: https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Deutschlands-wohl-aeltestes-Auto-besteht-mit-Bravour-den-TUeV,oldtimer1160.html https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_ha...

coffeebeqn 3y ago

It sounds like the author is perfectly capable of maintaining the car and takes pride in it. I doubt you could really “fix” it so that it runs like a 2014 Corolla unless you build it from the ground up

jacquesm 3y ago
Even then you'd still have to lubricate some bits more frequently and re-adjust the valves.
speedgoose 3y ago
I haven’t driven this old Porsche but I assume the brakes were working better than what is described in the article before.

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bityard 3y ago

Good thing the author isn't in Norway, I guess. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to keep his car which clearly has a lot of sentimental value to him. Also, Norway should consider dropping mandatory passenger vehicle inspections as mechanical malfunctions are a tiny percentage of accident causes (and might be lower than officially reported by police) and it has been shown that they do nothing to increase actual on-the-road safety: https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1319&context=fhssconference_studentpub https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=... https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812115 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... https://www.theamericanconsumer.org/2019/06/do-mandatory-vehicle-inspections-really-make-us-safer/ https://www.theamericanconsumer.org/2019/06/do-mandatory-veh...

jacquesm 3y ago
They make the car industry a ton of money though so I don't expect them to go away any time soon.
speedgoose 3y ago
Your data says about 2% of the crashes. Seems very much worth it. And the test also checks the pollution or reduces the annoyances to other drivers (such as too high headlights, broken light indicators, smelly vehicles,…).