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> they definitely want to bet on that as the future and I'm not sure what leverage actors and writers have, honestly The fact that AI is by definition just goi

> they definitely want to bet on that as the future and I'm not sure what leverage actors and writers have, honestly The fact that AI is by definition just going to create recycled, derivative content. If the industry replaces writers and actors with AI it’ll be their demise because audiences will get very, very bored very quickly.

satvikpendem 3y ago
How is it "by definition?" Just because it trains on known data doesn't mean it does not mix and match ideas in novel ways. Even AlphaGo a few years ago played a completely novel move in the game that was never seen or even considered by master Go players, so I'm not too worried about AI's "creativity." I'm also not necessarily talking about AI creating the entire movie from scratch, it's a useful tool to help guide decisions. Personally I'm more looking forward to seeing indie filmmakers making something on par with a Marvel film in terms of CGI, without having to hire actors, rent studio space and time, etc, because the product at the end of the day is all pixels, data that can be generated line by line by a computer if only it knows what color to make each pixel. It sounds far-fetched today but in due time, everyone will have that power.
- afavour 3y ago
  You don’t see the difference between playing Go, a game with strictly defined rules and limited moves available at all times, and the process of creative writing? I’m impressed by what AI is capable of but it feels like we’re making the same mistake everyone made with self driving cars. It can drive down an empty road in a desert? Well it’ll surely only be a couple of years before they’re everywhere! ChatGPT can generate a paragraph of prose? Well it’ll surely only be a couple of years before it’s coming up with inventive show concepts, developing characters and planning season arcs!
  - satvikpendem 3y ago
    I agree, it might take some time, perhaps years or decades (although I doubt the latter based on current progress it seems), but it is not an insurmountable challenge, as long as you are a physicalist, I philosophical terms.
falsaberN1 3y ago
Have you ever seen "Unlimited Hams"? It's an AI recreation of the famous steamed hams scene from The Simpsons. It's the most entertaining nonsense I have ever had the delight of witnessing, despite being extremely repetitive. And at times I learn about pretty exotic foods as a bonus. The original version was banned due to a cooking mishap, but there's a successor of sorts and it's more or less the same thing.
- nerdbert 3y ago
  And yet it still works because it's based on something that human writers did.

satvikpendem 3y ago

How is it "by definition?" Just because it trains on known data doesn't mean it does not mix and match ideas in novel ways. Even AlphaGo a few years ago played a completely novel move in the game that was never seen or even considered by master Go players, so I'm not too worried about AI's "creativity." I'm also not necessarily talking about AI creating the entire movie from scratch, it's a useful tool to help guide decisions. Personally I'm more looking forward to seeing indie filmmakers making something on par with a Marvel film in terms of CGI, without having to hire actors, rent studio space and time, etc, because the product at the end of the day is all pixels, data that can be generated line by line by a computer if only it knows what color to make each pixel. It sounds far-fetched today but in due time, everyone will have that power.

afavour 3y ago
You don’t see the difference between playing Go, a game with strictly defined rules and limited moves available at all times, and the process of creative writing? I’m impressed by what AI is capable of but it feels like we’re making the same mistake everyone made with self driving cars. It can drive down an empty road in a desert? Well it’ll surely only be a couple of years before they’re everywhere! ChatGPT can generate a paragraph of prose? Well it’ll surely only be a couple of years before it’s coming up with inventive show concepts, developing characters and planning season arcs!
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  I agree, it might take some time, perhaps years or decades (although I doubt the latter based on current progress it seems), but it is not an insurmountable challenge, as long as you are a physicalist, I philosophical terms.

falsaberN1 3y ago

Have you ever seen "Unlimited Hams"? It's an AI recreation of the famous steamed hams scene from The Simpsons. It's the most entertaining nonsense I have ever had the delight of witnessing, despite being extremely repetitive. And at times I learn about pretty exotic foods as a bonus. The original version was banned due to a cooking mishap, but there's a successor of sorts and it's more or less the same thing.

nerdbert 3y ago
And yet it still works because it's based on something that human writers did.