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Germany is an economic lion held back by its inability to digitize (even when it does it's half measure still attached to the past) and its development of deep

Germany is an economic lion held back by its inability to digitize (even when it does it's half measure still attached to the past) and its development of deep relationship with untrustworthy countries (Russia being the prime example.) Trying to buy the 49 Euro Ticket can be done online but still requires approval by a human and an IBAN. That's my current favorite recent example of Germany making absolutely no sense relative to its peers.

RandomLensman 3y ago
The Bahn app has a human approver in the loop when buying the 49 Euro ticket?
- nforgerit 3y ago
  I didn’t hear about this certain case but I’d not be too surprised here. Given Germany has been unsuccessfully trying to digitize their government services, there’s been many cases where people filled out PDFs online, which got printed on paper on the other side, sent by fax to another authority, there scanned and then worked on to finally send paper mail to the initial requesters.
lispm 3y ago
Strange, I bought mine via an app and paypal.
- partiallypro 3y ago
  The official Bahn and even the MVV require an IBAN. To get my ticket, I had to wait 3 days using the MVV app to get a person to approve it.
  - lispm 3y ago
    I used also an official app of a public transport provider and I pay via paypal. The ticket is immediately active. 'IBAN' is a bank account number. So you had to have a bank account - most people have one. The 'ticket' is actually a subscription. There are now 11 million owners of a subscription of a Deutschlandticket. Start was 1st May 2023.
anticodon 3y ago
Yeah, this kind of article would never fail to mention Russia and Putin. But what is never mentioned: 1. Germany has no energy sources. USA had blown up the pipelines delivering cheap energy from Russia that German industry needs badly (so, German industry has been closing and has declining output since), also in just as brain-dead move Germany closed all its nuclear plants. 2. USA is deliberately suffocating German economy. First, dieselgate. Then, "fine" for Deutsche Bank for "provoking crisis of 2008". Then making Germany loose access to cheap energy and providing money to German industrial companies that want to move their plants from Germany (where they have no future due to lack of energy and other resources that were imported from Russia) to USA.
- nforgerit 3y ago
  German here. > USA had blown up the pipelines delivering cheap energy from Russia Well, did they? I know this theory but AFAIK they could trace it back to some people in Ukrainian military. Western secret services (afair from Netherlands) even warned them twice that this was being planned but they didn’t react. > USA is deliberately suffocating German economy. Sorry, but those are ALL mistakes made by Germans themselves. They have been cheating, they have been lobbying the German governments to ease transformation cost for short-sighted profit, the (conservative) German governments acted to slow down renewables while quitting nuclear power earlier than planned. I think it’s not a coincidence that Putin started the war on Ukraine just at the time, Germany phased out its last nuclear power plants. It’s all stupidity on the German side, esp. when Merkel is still claiming that “she always knew who Putin really was”.
  - anticodon 3y ago
    > Well, did they? I know this theory but AFAIK they could trace it back to some people in Ukrainian military. Western secret services (afair from Netherlands) even warned them twice that this was being planned but they didn’t react. Such operation can't be performed by amateurs from a rented yacht. It requires experience and resources available only to few countries on Earth. Also, it was just a version published by Western media without any hard evidence. > Sorry, but those are ALL mistakes made by Germans themselves. It's not possible to tell if they are unless there's an investigation, but there would be never such an investigation because Germany is an occupied country for 78 years. It's quite clear from the consequences, that Olaf Sholz, Annalena Baerbock, and other German politics do things that affect German industry and economics negatively at the same time improving US economy and making Germany more dependent on US.

RandomLensman 3y ago

The Bahn app has a human approver in the loop when buying the 49 Euro ticket?

nforgerit 3y ago
I didn’t hear about this certain case but I’d not be too surprised here. Given Germany has been unsuccessfully trying to digitize their government services, there’s been many cases where people filled out PDFs online, which got printed on paper on the other side, sent by fax to another authority, there scanned and then worked on to finally send paper mail to the initial requesters.

lispm 3y ago

Strange, I bought mine via an app and paypal.

partiallypro 3y ago
The official Bahn and even the MVV require an IBAN. To get my ticket, I had to wait 3 days using the MVV app to get a person to approve it.
- lispm 3y ago
  I used also an official app of a public transport provider and I pay via paypal. The ticket is immediately active. 'IBAN' is a bank account number. So you had to have a bank account - most people have one. The 'ticket' is actually a subscription. There are now 11 million owners of a subscription of a Deutschlandticket. Start was 1st May 2023.

anticodon 3y ago

Yeah, this kind of article would never fail to mention Russia and Putin. But what is never mentioned: 1. Germany has no energy sources. USA had blown up the pipelines delivering cheap energy from Russia that German industry needs badly (so, German industry has been closing and has declining output since), also in just as brain-dead move Germany closed all its nuclear plants. 2. USA is deliberately suffocating German economy. First, dieselgate. Then, "fine" for Deutsche Bank for "provoking crisis of 2008". Then making Germany loose access to cheap energy and providing money to German industrial companies that want to move their plants from Germany (where they have no future due to lack of energy and other resources that were imported from Russia) to USA.

nforgerit 3y ago
German here. > USA had blown up the pipelines delivering cheap energy from Russia Well, did they? I know this theory but AFAIK they could trace it back to some people in Ukrainian military. Western secret services (afair from Netherlands) even warned them twice that this was being planned but they didn’t react. > USA is deliberately suffocating German economy. Sorry, but those are ALL mistakes made by Germans themselves. They have been cheating, they have been lobbying the German governments to ease transformation cost for short-sighted profit, the (conservative) German governments acted to slow down renewables while quitting nuclear power earlier than planned. I think it’s not a coincidence that Putin started the war on Ukraine just at the time, Germany phased out its last nuclear power plants. It’s all stupidity on the German side, esp. when Merkel is still claiming that “she always knew who Putin really was”.
- anticodon 3y ago
  > Well, did they? I know this theory but AFAIK they could trace it back to some people in Ukrainian military. Western secret services (afair from Netherlands) even warned them twice that this was being planned but they didn’t react. Such operation can't be performed by amateurs from a rented yacht. It requires experience and resources available only to few countries on Earth. Also, it was just a version published by Western media without any hard evidence. > Sorry, but those are ALL mistakes made by Germans themselves. It's not possible to tell if they are unless there's an investigation, but there would be never such an investigation because Germany is an occupied country for 78 years. It's quite clear from the consequences, that Olaf Sholz, Annalena Baerbock, and other German politics do things that affect German industry and economics negatively at the same time improving US economy and making Germany more dependent on US.