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Definitely a sideshow. But this is still important case law. The police can use a commonly available technology (iPhone) to observe things through some kind o

Definitely a sideshow. But this is still important case law. The police can use a commonly available technology (iPhone) to observe things through some kind of obfuscated barrier. They've been allowed to do this with a flashlight (darkness) and now they're allowed to do it with iPhones (tinted windows). Seems perfectly fine to me.

tptacek 3y ago
This particular obfuscated barrier is already disfavored by the law; for instance, where I live, window tints sufficient to block inspection of the passenger compartment of the car by an officer standing next to the car are already effectively illegal.
- VWWHFSfQ 3y ago
  If the window tint can be "peered through" by an iPhone (commonly available technology), is it still illegel? This court said no, it's not.
  - tptacek 3y ago
    The statute is written in terms of visible light transmittance, so this ruling isn't going to help people with dark tinted windows.
- RetpolineDrama 3y ago
  >window tints sufficient to block inspection of the passenger compartment of the car by an officer standing next to the car are already effectively illegal Which is absolutely preposterous, given how hot it is getting. Window tint laws need to be repealed.
  - tptacek 3y ago
    I'm not the person you need to convince about that.
  - tonightstoast 3y ago
    Is heat the reason you want to repeal these laws or do you have others? I’m on the opposite side of the issue. I think that tinted windows don’t allow for enough visibility for pedestrians and cyclists. This is anecdotal but they also seem to be used in higher portions of the population breaking driving laws. And lastly, I really don’t enjoy the militant “badassness” associated with these. I want the roads to be more chill, not people going around thinking they’re God’s gift to mankind and any who dares cross them will be punished. These are mostly opinions based on anecdotes. I’ve lived in a few cities now and this remains true. Which is why I’d like to hear your experience.
    - honeybadger1 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - tptacek 3y ago
        Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        honeybadger1 3y ago
        I just find the arrogance humorous, I don't see how it's unkind. There are politer ways of saying it but you don't deserve it. You didn't care to be polite when associating window tint with: not being 'chill', militant, and associated with reckless criminal drivers. Just say what you really think: "I don't like window tint and others agree with me, so let's take the rights from others to lower the heat in their idle cars and also keep the sun out of their eyes away. Now let me find a list of disconnected anecdotes to justify this"
        tonightstoast 3y ago
        I think you meant to reply to me, the person you replied to was just restating the rules. That being said, I still disagree with your assessment. I don't really have a better way to describe completely dark tinted windows, blacked out windows, blacked out rims, other than militant. How would you describe this? In movies they use this look to describe the bad guy. We now sell those vehicles to match that "vibe". Once again, I did say it was anecdotal. These individuals tend to drive at a much higher reckless rate in the areas I have lived. If I see someone coming up behind me at 15+ MPH faster than speed of traffic, they'll have windows tinted darker than the majority of others, a majority of the time. They also tend to swerve and run individuals off the road. Please note, I asked if heat was the issue because I genuinely wanted a shared experience. I haven't seen a good example of the need for these windows. But most of the areas I live only get to 105. Looks like sibling comments of yours have warmer experiences - which is what I needed to know.
  - goda90 3y ago
    I prefer when I can know where a driver is looking if I'm about to cross their path. Do they see me? Sometimes that's really hard with tinted windows.
  - IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago
    In many countries, tinted windows act as a deterrent against would-be car thieves or armed robbery during a traffic light
  - yowzadave 3y ago
    Tinted windows mean it’s impossible for a pedestrian or other motorist to make eye contact with the driver—which is often a way that people communicate to ensure safe crossing.
    - hyperliner 3y ago
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  - xtiansimon 3y ago
    Tinted windows prevent cyclists, pedestrians and other drivers from seeing drivers clearly. If you can’t see the driver, then you can’t know if the driver can see you. Very important for driveways and intersections.
- tehwebguy 3y ago
  One of LAPD’s favorite laws to break: - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418856143988928517?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14188561439889285... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418926626121863178?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14189266261218631... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418975022648070154?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14189750226480701... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418979424289107974?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14189794242891079... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418983430755340295?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14189834307553402... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418987432905789447?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14189874329057894... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1419001298238656512?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14190012982386565... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1420891826936975360?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14208918269369753... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1552654601140072448?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/15526546011400724... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1552659280414707712?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/15526592804147077...
  - zdragnar 3y ago
    I'm actually fine with this. Tinted windows in police cars help to protect the identity of a person (while in transit, at least) who has not yet been tried and found guilty of anything.
    - xxpor 3y ago
      I don't think the model 3 is used for prisoner transportation
    - adastra22 3y ago
      These are personal vehicles.
    - atmavatar 3y ago
      The videos appear to be those of cops pulling out of a parking lot with their personal vehicles after their shifts are over. They're just a few of a much larger set of examples of those in US police departments showing little regard for the very laws they are supposed to enforce, though I admit window tints and front license plates seem rather tame to me. However, it would be of no surprise to me should someone who themselves received an expensive ticket or tickets for it made it their mission in life to document off-duty cops' violations of the same.
foobarian 3y ago
Honestly the real sideshow is that Apple managed to worm its brand into this business. If I were Samsung or Google or any other Android vendor I'd be asking my marketing leadership why the police are not using our phones for this

tptacek 3y ago

This particular obfuscated barrier is already disfavored by the law; for instance, where I live, window tints sufficient to block inspection of the passenger compartment of the car by an officer standing next to the car are already effectively illegal.

VWWHFSfQ 3y ago
If the window tint can be "peered through" by an iPhone (commonly available technology), is it still illegel? This court said no, it's not.
- tptacek 3y ago
  The statute is written in terms of visible light transmittance, so this ruling isn't going to help people with dark tinted windows.
RetpolineDrama 3y ago
>window tints sufficient to block inspection of the passenger compartment of the car by an officer standing next to the car are already effectively illegal Which is absolutely preposterous, given how hot it is getting. Window tint laws need to be repealed.
- tptacek 3y ago
  I'm not the person you need to convince about that.
- tonightstoast 3y ago
  Is heat the reason you want to repeal these laws or do you have others? I’m on the opposite side of the issue. I think that tinted windows don’t allow for enough visibility for pedestrians and cyclists. This is anecdotal but they also seem to be used in higher portions of the population breaking driving laws. And lastly, I really don’t enjoy the militant “badassness” associated with these. I want the roads to be more chill, not people going around thinking they’re God’s gift to mankind and any who dares cross them will be punished. These are mostly opinions based on anecdotes. I’ve lived in a few cities now and this remains true. Which is why I’d like to hear your experience.
  - honeybadger1 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - tptacek 3y ago
      Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - honeybadger1 3y ago
        I just find the arrogance humorous, I don't see how it's unkind. There are politer ways of saying it but you don't deserve it. You didn't care to be polite when associating window tint with: not being 'chill', militant, and associated with reckless criminal drivers. Just say what you really think: "I don't like window tint and others agree with me, so let's take the rights from others to lower the heat in their idle cars and also keep the sun out of their eyes away. Now let me find a list of disconnected anecdotes to justify this"
        tonightstoast 3y ago
        I think you meant to reply to me, the person you replied to was just restating the rules. That being said, I still disagree with your assessment. I don't really have a better way to describe completely dark tinted windows, blacked out windows, blacked out rims, other than militant. How would you describe this? In movies they use this look to describe the bad guy. We now sell those vehicles to match that "vibe". Once again, I did say it was anecdotal. These individuals tend to drive at a much higher reckless rate in the areas I have lived. If I see someone coming up behind me at 15+ MPH faster than speed of traffic, they'll have windows tinted darker than the majority of others, a majority of the time. They also tend to swerve and run individuals off the road. Please note, I asked if heat was the issue because I genuinely wanted a shared experience. I haven't seen a good example of the need for these windows. But most of the areas I live only get to 105. Looks like sibling comments of yours have warmer experiences - which is what I needed to know.
- goda90 3y ago
  I prefer when I can know where a driver is looking if I'm about to cross their path. Do they see me? Sometimes that's really hard with tinted windows.
- IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago
  In many countries, tinted windows act as a deterrent against would-be car thieves or armed robbery during a traffic light
- yowzadave 3y ago
  Tinted windows mean it’s impossible for a pedestrian or other motorist to make eye contact with the driver—which is often a way that people communicate to ensure safe crossing.
  - hyperliner 3y ago
    [dead]
- xtiansimon 3y ago
  Tinted windows prevent cyclists, pedestrians and other drivers from seeing drivers clearly. If you can’t see the driver, then you can’t know if the driver can see you. Very important for driveways and intersections.
tehwebguy 3y ago
One of LAPD’s favorite laws to break: - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418856143988928517?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14188561439889285... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418926626121863178?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14189266261218631... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418975022648070154?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14189750226480701... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418979424289107974?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14189794242891079... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418983430755340295?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14189834307553402... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1418987432905789447?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14189874329057894... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1419001298238656512?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14190012982386565... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1420891826936975360?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/14208918269369753... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1552654601140072448?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/15526546011400724... - https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1552659280414707712?s=20 https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/15526592804147077...
- zdragnar 3y ago
  I'm actually fine with this. Tinted windows in police cars help to protect the identity of a person (while in transit, at least) who has not yet been tried and found guilty of anything.
  - xxpor 3y ago
    I don't think the model 3 is used for prisoner transportation
  - adastra22 3y ago
    These are personal vehicles.
  - atmavatar 3y ago
    The videos appear to be those of cops pulling out of a parking lot with their personal vehicles after their shifts are over. They're just a few of a much larger set of examples of those in US police departments showing little regard for the very laws they are supposed to enforce, though I admit window tints and front license plates seem rather tame to me. However, it would be of no surprise to me should someone who themselves received an expensive ticket or tickets for it made it their mission in life to document off-duty cops' violations of the same.

foobarian 3y ago

Honestly the real sideshow is that Apple managed to worm its brand into this business. If I were Samsung or Google or any other Android vendor I'd be asking my marketing leadership why the police are not using our phones for this