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“Blade Runners” destroying Ulez surveillance cameras in the UK

26 points by Dig1t 3y ago

darkclouds 3y ago
> People are of course entitled to show their opposition to policies peacefully and lawfully The law was and is violently imposed on people in an escalating fashion usually by the police but sometimes by the security services, there is no evidence anyone has agreed to the law, there is no contract that anyone has signed, its not even taught in schools. And the useful idiots most notably Americans keep espousing they live a life of freedom... The law is a con trick by people who can organise themselves, so politicians like Theresa May argue about the spirit of the law, just what is she pontificating? These blade runners are following the spirit of the law, they are taking a leaf out of the law abiding book, by taking matters into their own hands like Peelers did centuries ago, and maybe might resort to violence if they choose to organise themselves more, perhaps even with uniforms that might include a high vis jacket and sign written van to subconsciously command obedience to authority from unsuspecting members of the public who have psychology resigned themselves to the warfare called law imposed on people, who know what is what but dont know what is what, they just strut.
- gruez 3y ago
  >there is no evidence anyone has agreed to the law, there is no contract that anyone has signed How about: "the government built and owns the roads, and now decided to enact a fee for using said road"? Or do you think that the concept of property rights don't apply to you unless you signed a contract? In which case, I would like to know where you live, because I haven't signed any contract binding me to the concept of property rights :^)
  - darkclouds 3y ago
    If the govt built and owns the roads, where did it get its money from? Did it steal the money using force and called their criminal activities Taxation? If the govt cant exert psychological coercion on the populace, ie the useful lazy idiots who want a quiet life, then it just resorts to a variety of forms of violence, some stealth some not so stealth. I dont own any property but I'm sure you would like to demonstrate that violence always win.
- mock-possum 3y ago
  … what the fuck
  - darkclouds 3y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxWQ9CF-y4&t=1440s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxWQ9CF-y4&t=1440s
- DropInIn 3y ago
  Yea no one elected anyone and no one elected is pressured by public interest to put laws into place. No one /s
wcoenen 3y ago
Context: expansion of London "ultra low emission zone". https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/ulez-expansion-2023 https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/ule...
Havoc 3y ago
Or alternatively don’t drive ancient polluting cars in heavily populated areas with fantastic public transport?
- Dig1t 3y ago
  Enforcing such a policy via mass surveillance is a bit Orwellian though isn't it?
  - hhh 3y ago
    No value judgement here, but how else would you enforce it?
    - mock-possum 3y ago
      More cops! More traffic stops and checkpoints! More inspections and fees! No wait fuck nobody likes any of that. Okay what about buyback programs. What about trade ins. What about tax breaks and government subsidies for buying newer vehicles with less hem fuel emissions? What if instead of paying to enforce a law, you paid to change the conditions that lead to the problems that the law was created to address in the first place?
      - hugh-avherald 3y ago
        Every tax break is a tax increase for someone else. Buying polluting vehicles would encourage people to buy harmful things because they would expect the government would eventually pay them off (or equivalently would discourage people from buying less polluting vehicles early, lest they miss out on a bailout).
      - wcoenen 3y ago
        > Okay what about buyback programs Already in place. https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/scrappage-schemes https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/scr...
  - c4ptnjack 3y ago
superchroma 3y ago
"The Met said it does not believe it has investigated damage to Ulez cameras." Well they sure as hell will now. This guy/group have forgotten the #1 rule of crime, shut the fuck up about it.
breput 3y ago
The English and Scots have a long and distinguished history of dealing with traffic cameras[0] [0] https://theguardian.com/uk/2003/sep/07/transport.ukcrime https://theguardian.com/uk/2003/sep/07/transport.ukcrime

26 points by Dig1t 3y ago

> People are of course entitled to show their opposition to policies peacefully and lawfully The law was and is violently imposed on people in an escalating fashion usually by the police but sometimes by the security services, there is no evidence anyone has agreed to the law, there is no contract that anyone has signed, its not even taught in schools. And the useful idiots most notably Americans keep espousing they live a life of freedom... The law is a con trick by people who can organise themselves, so politicians like Theresa May argue about the spirit of the law, just what is she pontificating? These blade runners are following the spirit of the law, they are taking a leaf out of the law abiding book, by taking matters into their own hands like Peelers did centuries ago, and maybe might resort to violence if they choose to organise themselves more, perhaps even with uniforms that might include a high vis jacket and sign written van to subconsciously command obedience to authority from unsuspecting members of the public who have psychology resigned themselves to the warfare called law imposed on people, who know what is what but dont know what is what, they just strut.

gruez 3y ago
>there is no evidence anyone has agreed to the law, there is no contract that anyone has signed How about: "the government built and owns the roads, and now decided to enact a fee for using said road"? Or do you think that the concept of property rights don't apply to you unless you signed a contract? In which case, I would like to know where you live, because I haven't signed any contract binding me to the concept of property rights :^)
- darkclouds 3y ago
  If the govt built and owns the roads, where did it get its money from? Did it steal the money using force and called their criminal activities Taxation? If the govt cant exert psychological coercion on the populace, ie the useful lazy idiots who want a quiet life, then it just resorts to a variety of forms of violence, some stealth some not so stealth. I dont own any property but I'm sure you would like to demonstrate that violence always win.
mock-possum 3y ago
… what the fuck
- darkclouds 3y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxWQ9CF-y4&t=1440s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxWQ9CF-y4&t=1440s
DropInIn 3y ago
Yea no one elected anyone and no one elected is pressured by public interest to put laws into place. No one /s

wcoenen 3y ago

Context: expansion of London "ultra low emission zone". https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/ulez-expansion-2023 https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/ule...

Havoc 3y ago

Or alternatively don’t drive ancient polluting cars in heavily populated areas with fantastic public transport?

Dig1t 3y ago
Enforcing such a policy via mass surveillance is a bit Orwellian though isn't it?
- hhh 3y ago
  No value judgement here, but how else would you enforce it?
  - mock-possum 3y ago
    More cops! More traffic stops and checkpoints! More inspections and fees! No wait fuck nobody likes any of that. Okay what about buyback programs. What about trade ins. What about tax breaks and government subsidies for buying newer vehicles with less hem fuel emissions? What if instead of paying to enforce a law, you paid to change the conditions that lead to the problems that the law was created to address in the first place?
    - hugh-avherald 3y ago
      Every tax break is a tax increase for someone else. Buying polluting vehicles would encourage people to buy harmful things because they would expect the government would eventually pay them off (or equivalently would discourage people from buying less polluting vehicles early, lest they miss out on a bailout).
    - wcoenen 3y ago
      > Okay what about buyback programs Already in place. https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/scrappage-schemes https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/scr...
- c4ptnjack 3y ago

superchroma 3y ago

"The Met said it does not believe it has investigated damage to Ulez cameras." Well they sure as hell will now. This guy/group have forgotten the #1 rule of crime, shut the fuck up about it.

breput 3y ago

The English and Scots have a long and distinguished history of dealing with traffic cameras[0] [0] https://theguardian.com/uk/2003/sep/07/transport.ukcrime https://theguardian.com/uk/2003/sep/07/transport.ukcrime