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> But yes, many business owners (and the sorts of politicians they tend to vote) are irrationally attached to the idea that motorists are the ones who bring in
by doctorpangloss 3y ago
> But yes, many business owners (and the sorts of politicians they tend to vote) are irrationally attached to the idea that motorists are the ones who bring in the money
If they're so irrational, go and start a business with no parking! I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying that you're not appreciating the forces that make people put up with commutes and parking in the first place.
> pedestrians and public transit users are a more important source of income to downtown commercial services than motorists
My family and I bike everywhere. Obviously my dog in this race is more accessible cities.
I'm just being intellectually honest.
Like dude, the company that makes my e-bikes is going into receivership.
I live next to Valencia Street in San Francisco, and there was so much opposition to building new bike lanes, thoroughly vetted by experts, from cyclists themselves. I would almost call it "irrational."
They didn't even build the center lanes very far, because the center lanes from 23rd to Cesar Chavez would have reduced the way the megachurches use the center lane as free parking on Sundays.
The businesses on Valencia Street need those underage CSU revelers trucked in by Ubers. They cannot walk from a side street to Blondie's, the thing they pay for is to be dropped off in front of the door.
Someone has to deliver all that alcohol that sells! Someone has to truck the produce in gas-guzzling trucks to Rainbow. Someone's gotta gas-powered-bus the pickers to pick the produce at Rainbow.
This is my one neighborhood. You are welcome to try to start a new local business on the idea that "[poor people's] individual transactions tend to be smaller, but there are more of them." I can guarantee you will fail.
I appreciate that there are experts studying this. They are welcome to apply for civil jobs in San Francisco! They can go and win elections! I am aligned with those politics and want those outcomes, and I am not saying they are inaccurate at all. I am saying your "studies" an incomplete view on cities.
- Sharlin 3y agoI understand and empathize with your frustration, but I did specifically say that there are some prerequisites for car-light city centers to work well. But I felt that you in turn unfairly generalized the unfortunate NA situation¹ when in fact in, say, Europe there are dozens of cities with pedestrian/transit-first historical centers and hundreds more where it would be perfectly achievable – and is slowly being achieved – if not for ideological opposition. --- ¹ Even SF is much less dense than almost any European city of comparable size!
- fragmede 3y agoSan Francisco is a small city, but, at 6,655.4 people/km2, it's more dense than Berlin, at 4,126/km2.
- Karrot_Kream 3y agoStrongtowns has an article on this [1] that cites papers which show that increases in walkability lead to higher home values and attracts more businesses. If you have studies that demonstrate an effect and a model which corroborates the effects, opposition is necessarily irrational. The fact is that in NA people are very attached to their cars and parking and that people in NA are much more "fitness inequal" (people who are unfit in NA are much more unfit than unfit people in other developed countries) [2] so it's much more likely for folks in NA to oppose anything that takes away parking. [1]: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/1/16/why-walkable-streets-are-more-economically-productive-3bzg5 https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/1/16/why-walkable-s... [2]: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/tracking-physical-activity-around-world https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/trackin...
- fragmede 3y agoYeah because their plan was stupid. For what's being asked of it, they should make Valencia one-way to accommodate its needs.