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The thing that worries my about artificial sweeteners and specifically diet pop consumption is whether or not the constant exposure to artificial sweeteners cau

The thing that worries my about artificial sweeteners and specifically diet pop consumption is whether or not the constant exposure to artificial sweeteners causes your body to release an insulin response anyway and that then causing problems. If I had to guess we are going to get a big breakthrough study on diet pop that is going to link it to diabetes or something like that. I remain skeptical that there is a free lunch here. No medical or scientific basis for this. I don’t really drink pop (once/year maybe?) with or without sugar or artificial sweeteners.

scubadude 3y ago
I had read this hypothesis before, but a quick scan suggests a number of studies vindicate diet drinks, e.g. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27934644/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27934644/
- ericmay 3y ago
  Thanks for sharing!
- throwing_away 3y ago
  I used to drink a fair amount of diet and mostly quit because of the caffeine and the possibly tooth enamel damage. It was surprising the amount of concerned friends who were convinced the stuff would kill me. I really looked for any hint of evidence that it might, and aspartame keeps winning. I'm off it now anyway, but it does seem to just be nicely flavored (slightly acidic) caffeine water.
ineedasername 3y ago
>pop Soda.
- xeromal 3y ago
  >Soda. Coke.
  - ineedasername 3y ago
    Good sir, please see my response to a sibling comment. I shall not repeat myself here. Good day sir, I said good day!
- drw3 3y ago
  > Soda Pop. Much nicer.
  - ineedasername 3y ago
    Pop is a concession, a retreat, a capitulation to the massive marketing machines of modern commerce. It began as a branding effort, while soda is descriptive of the chemical properties involved. Do not give in the the manipulation of corporate interests, even those whose roots are over a century old! (The abominable practice of others to call all sodas, generically, "coke" is similarly flawed although that name at least, in addition to marketing, has some basis in the chemical makeup of the drink that began its inception)
dwaite 3y ago
I've had insulin responses before, but I believe there is an anticipatory response at play there. When I was on a relatively strict ketogenic diet in the past, the recommendation was to test your blood sugar level after consuming a larger-than-average amount over the course of 1-2 hours to see if there were spikes or troughs from a hormonal response. Unless you have type 2 diabetes, any problem from a sugar-free insulin spike would likely be hunger. > If I had to guess we are going to get a big breakthrough study on diet pop that is going to link it to diabetes or something like that The Twin Cycle Hypothesis[0] predicts that many common cases of type 2 diabetes are from fat accumulation in the liver spilling to the pancreas and interfering with beta cell production of insulin. I wouldn't anticipate artificial sweeteners, even triggering an insulin response, to be able to do that without sugars also being consumed in tandem. > I remain skeptical that there is a free lunch here. Sugar-free gummy bears have quite the reputation because of how the gut reacts when you have a large quantity of sugar alcohols. It doesn't _have_ to be a cancer or a chronic illness. It can be more acute. [0]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23075228/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23075228/ (arbitrary first hit)
croutonwagon 3y ago
I mean I worry from time to time. But really its the processed foods and the high fructose corn syrup that worries me more. I try not to eat those. but its hard, its in everything.

scubadude 3y ago

I had read this hypothesis before, but a quick scan suggests a number of studies vindicate diet drinks, e.g. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27934644/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27934644/

ericmay 3y ago
Thanks for sharing!
throwing_away 3y ago
I used to drink a fair amount of diet and mostly quit because of the caffeine and the possibly tooth enamel damage. It was surprising the amount of concerned friends who were convinced the stuff would kill me. I really looked for any hint of evidence that it might, and aspartame keeps winning. I'm off it now anyway, but it does seem to just be nicely flavored (slightly acidic) caffeine water.

ineedasername 3y ago

>pop Soda.

xeromal 3y ago
>Soda. Coke.
- ineedasername 3y ago
  Good sir, please see my response to a sibling comment. I shall not repeat myself here. Good day sir, I said good day!
drw3 3y ago
> Soda Pop. Much nicer.
- ineedasername 3y ago
  Pop is a concession, a retreat, a capitulation to the massive marketing machines of modern commerce. It began as a branding effort, while soda is descriptive of the chemical properties involved. Do not give in the the manipulation of corporate interests, even those whose roots are over a century old! (The abominable practice of others to call all sodas, generically, "coke" is similarly flawed although that name at least, in addition to marketing, has some basis in the chemical makeup of the drink that began its inception)

dwaite 3y ago

I've had insulin responses before, but I believe there is an anticipatory response at play there. When I was on a relatively strict ketogenic diet in the past, the recommendation was to test your blood sugar level after consuming a larger-than-average amount over the course of 1-2 hours to see if there were spikes or troughs from a hormonal response. Unless you have type 2 diabetes, any problem from a sugar-free insulin spike would likely be hunger. > If I had to guess we are going to get a big breakthrough study on diet pop that is going to link it to diabetes or something like that The Twin Cycle Hypothesis[0] predicts that many common cases of type 2 diabetes are from fat accumulation in the liver spilling to the pancreas and interfering with beta cell production of insulin. I wouldn't anticipate artificial sweeteners, even triggering an insulin response, to be able to do that without sugars also being consumed in tandem. > I remain skeptical that there is a free lunch here. Sugar-free gummy bears have quite the reputation because of how the gut reacts when you have a large quantity of sugar alcohols. It doesn't _have_ to be a cancer or a chronic illness. It can be more acute. [0]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23075228/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23075228/ (arbitrary first hit)

croutonwagon 3y ago

I mean I worry from time to time. But really its the processed foods and the high fructose corn syrup that worries me more. I try not to eat those. but its hard, its in everything.