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In the UK we build houses without enough parking and the whole area becomes horrendous. The idea I get from reading about US "pro housing" people is that if you

In the UK we build houses without enough parking and the whole area becomes horrendous. The idea I get from reading about US "pro housing" people is that if you don't provide parking, people will still have a car and still park. In reality in the UK every patch of open space, including pavements (sidewalks) become car storage facilities. housing estates with 4 bed houses with just 1 car parking space (plus a garage which nobody users to store a car) end up with 1 or 2 cars parked on the pavement in addition to the drive, houses in towns converted to HMOs (house of multiple occupancy, because professionals can't really afford a 1 bed flat in the UK) with 4 adults in mean 4 cars parked on the roads.

davidw 3y ago
What is 'horrendous' is people not having a place to live. Cars parked here and there is not great, but it's not nearly as bad as not having enough housing. I've heard that UK zoning and land use is perhaps even worse than the US.
lazyasciiart 3y ago
In the US they become places to live in a tent until the police destroy your tent and you live in a similar spot on the pavement two blocks away without a tent.
dabeeeenster 3y ago
Total nonsense. New builds in the UK have ample parking.
- iso1631 3y ago
  No, they don't. Planing permission typically allows a 4 bed with 2 parking spaces, but one is a garage, meaning it's 1 usable parking space. Given that the only way you can afford a house is to have at least 2 workers, that leaves either 2 cars or public transit. Public transit in the UK is far better than the US but is still not good enough for most people. With increasing numbers of children staying with their parents past education, you end up with 3 or 4 commuters per house.
wizofaus 3y ago
In all honesty, why is a 4-bedroom house with only a single dedicated car parking space a problem? Is it because families that have decided they must have multiple cars parked close to their home all the time are leaving them parked in public locations that other people value and want to use? If so, it sounds like those parking locations need to be charged for. Said families may then rethink whether they really need those cars parked so close to their homes all the time (or indeed, whether they need so many cars at all).
- heartbreak 3y ago
  It’s four different families in one house.
  - wizofaus 3y ago
    How common is that in the UK?? It'd be exceedingly rare in Australia.
    - iso1631 3y ago
      Having 4 independent adults in a 4 bed house is quite common in the UK due to the cost of housing. Having 3 or 4 adults in a 4 bed house is even more common once you include 20-something kids who live with their parents due to the cost of housing. The cost of housing is nothing to do with the number of car parking spaces provided. If you assume the typical 2 adult 2 children household (the ones most likely to be in those 3/4 bed new build houses), where 55% have at least 2 cars -- at that includes London where car ownership is lower, having a single driveway is a major problem.
      - wizofaus 3y ago
        > Having 4 independent adults in a 4 bed house is quite common As it would be in Australia. But not 4 families!
        heartbreak 3y ago

davidw 3y ago

What is 'horrendous' is people not having a place to live. Cars parked here and there is not great, but it's not nearly as bad as not having enough housing. I've heard that UK zoning and land use is perhaps even worse than the US.

lazyasciiart 3y ago

In the US they become places to live in a tent until the police destroy your tent and you live in a similar spot on the pavement two blocks away without a tent.

dabeeeenster 3y ago

Total nonsense. New builds in the UK have ample parking.

iso1631 3y ago
No, they don't. Planing permission typically allows a 4 bed with 2 parking spaces, but one is a garage, meaning it's 1 usable parking space. Given that the only way you can afford a house is to have at least 2 workers, that leaves either 2 cars or public transit. Public transit in the UK is far better than the US but is still not good enough for most people. With increasing numbers of children staying with their parents past education, you end up with 3 or 4 commuters per house.

wizofaus 3y ago

In all honesty, why is a 4-bedroom house with only a single dedicated car parking space a problem? Is it because families that have decided they must have multiple cars parked close to their home all the time are leaving them parked in public locations that other people value and want to use? If so, it sounds like those parking locations need to be charged for. Said families may then rethink whether they really need those cars parked so close to their homes all the time (or indeed, whether they need so many cars at all).

heartbreak 3y ago
It’s four different families in one house.
- wizofaus 3y ago
  How common is that in the UK?? It'd be exceedingly rare in Australia.
  - iso1631 3y ago
    Having 4 independent adults in a 4 bed house is quite common in the UK due to the cost of housing. Having 3 or 4 adults in a 4 bed house is even more common once you include 20-something kids who live with their parents due to the cost of housing. The cost of housing is nothing to do with the number of car parking spaces provided. If you assume the typical 2 adult 2 children household (the ones most likely to be in those 3/4 bed new build houses), where 55% have at least 2 cars -- at that includes London where car ownership is lower, having a single driveway is a major problem.
    - wizofaus 3y ago
      > Having 4 independent adults in a 4 bed house is quite common As it would be in Australia. But not 4 families!
      - heartbreak 3y ago